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Post by kevkon on Feb 19, 2010 12:01:46 GMT -5
It seems this case abounds with misconceptions and erroneous conclusions. I'm not sure why many of these issues have a life other than some bizarre reluctance to abandon them. For the record, there was and is no evidence that the ladder failed during a climb which resulted in a fall and possibly the child's death. That type of catastrophic failure leaves behind a lot of evidence,
The idea that the ladder was "stuck" or jammed together is nonsense. With the rails split, there really would be little resistance offered in any attempt to separate the two sections.
The "crack" heard by Lindbergh was not related to the ladder breaking at the wall. It simply doesn't make this type of noise when broken. The only noise of this nature that I can think of that is related to the ladder is when two of the sections slam together.
The idea that the ladder was not taken because it somehow couldn't fit into the Dodge. More nonsense. It will fit into the Dodge in a variety of positions and does not have to be nestled together.
Hauptmann would never have intentionally left the ladder behind since he knew it contained a unique piece of wood from his attic. More silliness. If he even knew where that piece of wood came from, I doubt he or anyone else would have even remotely believed it could or would be traced back to him.
The ladder couldn't have been built by a carpenter. Why not? It's mechanically clever. It's built with advanced woodworking techniques. It has a single purpose which it achieved. What more does anyone expect?
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Post by Michael on Feb 21, 2010 9:51:01 GMT -5
This is an extremely important point. One that will be ignored by those who do not want it to be true - but its true nevertheless. And it doesn't matter that Keraga put "his" version of the ladder up against Highfields. From what I know - it didn't fail AND it wasn't built to exact specks like the original.... like (forgive me because I am not a carpenter) the metal "brackets" I saw on it in Flemington. Next, I've heard some real silliness that it was climbed by people, with the two sections, and they were able to get in and out with no problem. That's a lot of BS. Take an EXACT replica, place the two sections against that wall EXACTLY where it was during the "crime" (this includes the lawn being at the exact same level it was in March '32) then let Keraga or anyone else demonstrate: 1. Entering that window off the top rung without the ladder scissoring.
2. Exiting that window, with the child in tow, onto that ladder without the ladder scissoring.
3. During a wet, cold and in the middle of a windstorm without anyone holding the bottom of the ladder.
4. When its pitch black night out. I love when people try to bolster their positions without considering all of the variables and circumstances which prevent it from being true. It's like the cigarette companies telling us their research proves cigarette's aren't addicting. I once offered this as an explanation as to why the chisel may have been out. I wish I hadn't because Allen has fallen in love with it. I personally don't believe he heard anything anyway. And if he did, it wasn't properly investigated in order to determine what it might have actually been. Bingo. No matter who it was.... Either evidence was meant to stay behind or it wasn't. If it was then why there? If it wasn't then what caused it to be left behind? Certainly not the fear of the wood being identified. Heck, even today Experts have told me that invasive study would be needed to conclusively match those pieces. (However, with all of the new evidence generated from both Kevin & Rab I believe it once was the same piece.) Since Koehler lied about Rails 12 & 13 then they have NEVER been properly traced to Hauptmann or any particular yard for that matter. This whole idea originates with Koehler before Hauptmann is captured. Most felt it was a very clever design built by someone with woodworking experience.
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Post by kevkon on Feb 21, 2010 10:56:47 GMT -5
Well, I'll never understand why anyone must adhere to a position or theory regardless of the evidence. Lone Wolf or Big Gang Theory, it's all equally ridiculous. Can anyone explain why so much time and energy is wasted on these two extremes? Someone could probably have solved this mystery by now if it weren't for all of the time spent arguing and defending positions. It's what I dislike most about the LKC.
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Post by wolf2 on Feb 21, 2010 20:52:50 GMT -5
when kelvin was rersearching rail 16, he built a replica and it cracked in the same spot. i believe the ladder split because of a bad design flaw, not by the babys extra weight. thats just my opinon looking at kels ladder
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Post by kevkon on Feb 23, 2010 10:01:24 GMT -5
I'd agree with you. It is a design flaw. The ladder has a very narrow range of resistance to breaking at the joint. If it fails while being climbed, the results are catastrophic. That's why there would have been a lot of evidence of that present.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 14, 2010 19:43:44 GMT -5
The ladder was OK - the angle was wrong. Closer to the house it would have worked fine. Ask Kevkon.
So, either in haste, or an inexperienced climber used same. Guess is that somebody (inexperienced w/ladder) also didn't want to step in mud. Would mean not the soldier (Hauptmann, also experienced w/ladders) but the international spy (Noso - nice shoes). Certainly not Fisch who had a hacking cough that would alert everyone.
So Noso climbs and dusts the kid!
What's interesting though is the why! Somebody wanted that child dead!
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 18:00:10 GMT -5
Any idiot could have faked that wood, Problem was the timing. So the new Colonel had the answers - where is he?
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 18:05:13 GMT -5
Kevkon: so you're resigning?
I know how that happens. Guess I never resigned but i did call back.
OK so you're out - what about others?
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 18:10:48 GMT -5
That's not necessarily so unless you're watching the event happen! Your BS has gotten in the way of what might have happened.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 8, 2010 17:01:24 GMT -5
I can, from my chair here, PROVE that the wood evidence is worse than fake - electrocuting!
Though after CAL's testimony Richard had nowhere to go but down, the wood evidence tended to be detrimental to him, and that part at least is totally fake.
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Post by mairi on Apr 8, 2010 21:18:59 GMT -5
I have neither run nor hidden. No one else has either, though I know of one troublemaker who should.
BTW, I'm 72 yrs old and have never been subjected to 'age discrimination" on this forum.
I agree with you, Kevkon. Michael is everso fair on the forum and I will add admirable in civil discussion/debate, as are (almost) all other members and guests, here.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 8, 2010 22:54:36 GMT -5
Saul for Mairi:
If you'll note, Mairi, I stated exactly the same thing earlier. I think I said above or beyond fairness.
But that's not the real issue.
They? are claiming that she (Rita) told other members here that they'd get viruses by being on this site. Now perhaps that is a correct thing because I've gotten viruses on here. One specifically was called "not a virus" and I know it came from here. But that in itself is not such a big deal - viruses get filtered out. What is a big deal is for someone to use that as an excuse to bann another. So if Rita was warning others of possible viruses on this board and she was banned because of that? nada - which is really a duh non-issue (the viruses I'm sure that were not the fault of Michael) it had to have been for some other reason that she was banned.
She sometimes has odd ideas and I always agree with that - not them, that.
And are you calling me a troublemaker? You may be a 72 year old woman but I can still whip ya! I'll clobber you with my walker.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 9, 2010 1:52:42 GMT -5
Saul For Mairi:
That trouble comment reminded me of a little story.
I almost never go into bars, but a few years ago I was staying at a motel in a mid-sized ND town and there was a bowing alley/bar across the street. Killing time I went over to that bar late in the evening and was just sitting around and the local leagues were getting done so lots of pudgy bowlers wandering around. Well I used to bowl pretty good so for some excitement I told the barlady that I'd bowl anyone in the place one game for $ 500.00 and showed her the cash I had for it. Word got around and some guy's going to take me up on it. Then he starts writing a check. I just said hey no checks - she knows I got the money now and you gotta have it too. I mean if this guy's so cool for that check why wouldn't the BA cash it - but they wouldn't. Well all H breaks out that winds up with the guys wife swearing and yelling at me and the bartender looking me in the eye and saying, "you're trouble."
Yes maam - I just had a roast beef sandwich and left.
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Post by Michael on Apr 9, 2010 6:00:11 GMT -5
If you picked up a virus off of this site it could have happened in only one way: Clicking on a link posted by one of the foreign Spammers. They are really easy to spot so don't click on them. I, or my Security Team, are usually pretty quick to delete them but sometimes you might stumble on them before we do. This happens on ANY discussion board.
Next, now you are trying to say what Rita did, or didn't do, or whatever spin you want to put on it. She specifically and repeatedly said I was posting virii. Not just here. I told her I wasn't but she would still insist I was - to everyone and anyone. People would Anonymously post, then Rita would insist it was me AND that I had hidden a "virus" in the post.
Neither was true.
Now to the bowling story. I wouldn't have flashed $500 cash around anywhere unless I were looking for trouble. But that's just me. The minute you made that challenge then you should have laid out your rules from jump-street. You know better then to walk onto someone's turf, pee on their hydrant, then take the backdoor out of the situation.
Of course they're going to get angry.
Now, can we get back to discussing the Case? All of this IS nonsense, therefore, is counterproductive.
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Post by kevkon on Apr 9, 2010 7:21:08 GMT -5
I can, from my chair here, PROVE that the wood evidence is worse than fake - electrocuting! Though after CAL's testimony Richard had nowhere to go but down, the wood evidence tended to be detrimental to him, and that part at least is totally fake.Well Jack, I'm not running anywhere and now that you are on center stage don't disappoint your audience. Stand behind your words and enlighten us all with your fake wood theory. Let's see if you have what it takes to follow thru and stand behind your statement. And please, if you can't stand behind your words don't waste anyone's time with the obvious and well worn methods of avoiding or obfuscating. That really get's old after awhile.[/size]
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Post by jack7 on Apr 10, 2010 16:04:52 GMT -5
For Kevkon:
My information is going to Dave.
For Michael:
I flashed only to the lady barkeep. And just to make her know I was serious - and it was serious - I could have easily beat any of those 185 averagers by 50 pins - any time. But more importantly, what is a nusance? These underachievers, and the place was full of them, or me who comes in from nowhere and challenges them? It was a very upfront offer - cash in my pocket as shown, and it simply disrupted into chaos.
Kind of like Lindbergh - is Bornmann a nusance? - as several books try to show - or a legitimate investigator? He was one of the first on the scene and he stayed to the end. Was that because of his ego or was he trying to do a good job?
Obviously my opinions don't matter on this site so tell me what you two guys think.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 10, 2010 16:16:26 GMT -5
And I'm not afraid of people knowing that I usually walk around with a lot of cash - that would be fun.
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Post by kevkon on Apr 10, 2010 16:21:23 GMT -5
Good, I'm sure he will appreciate it. Do you need his address?
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Post by jack7 on Apr 10, 2010 16:56:29 GMT -5
Hmm - got it here somewhere though I don't usually keep track of Dave, You two are so precocious you should just do a couple moment turnaround and look at what idiots others believe you to be.
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Post by kevkon on Apr 10, 2010 19:30:44 GMT -5
I can't speak for Dave, but it might seem inconceivable to you, I really don't care what "others" think of me. This is a fascinating case and an enormous puzzle. I participate for my own enjoyment. Let others think and believe what they wish.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 12, 2010 7:42:48 GMT -5
What's fascinating about it?
True Q.
I've looked at it for too long years and other than there's a possibility of government involvement it doesn't seem that interesting to me.
Rick and Rita find it an interesting crime so I involve in little ways and try to help them. As far as I'm concerned it was solved in 1934.
And I have never slammed you so don't start. My apologies - you weren't starting. You are a nice guy and Michael is too and hopes we can keep our realationships likewise. Generally speaking I'm trying to increase the pulse here which often isn't a pulse and hope I can be forgiven for my impropriorities. Other than that I just have to say I'm trying to do the job and seig heil!
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Post by jack7 on Apr 12, 2010 7:46:01 GMT -5
I gotta type all this junk - gimme me a break!
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Post by kevkon on Apr 12, 2010 14:37:44 GMT -5
If you have to ask that question the answer would make no sense to you. I guess everyone has a different take. For example, I know there is quite a lot of interest in the Ripper case. I really don't find serial killers and their crimes to be all that fascinating. Had the Ripper been id'd, I'll guarantee a lot of people would have been disappointed. Another victim victimizing others.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 12, 2010 16:47:34 GMT -5
Yup - a famous writer (too young dead) once said that if in a room full of people JTR actually stood up and admitted to it, everybody would say, "who the H is that?" And as I said, as far as I'm concerned the crime was solved in 1934 but there are those, you perhaps are one, who seem to think that it is an ongoing thing. OK - I've seen plenty of your posts and know you don't really think that but just for argumentativeness you and I hang.
Because, as you say it is interesting, and who knows, something could open up a door but that's quite unlikely and it's much fun rocking with Rita and Rick about who knows what will come down the pipe next and throwing in a few bowling stories and being amusing. I am not a liar and you've accused me of bs and that is never true. The bowling people I have met and confronted in alleys with lots of cash in my pocket always are real. The war stories are real (and I carried a lot of cash outcountry too) and why is Hemingway a man of many stories adulated while a little Irish guy llike me defunked?
You've accused me of whining - who the H are you?
Lets just all be our own specific persons and be friends.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 12, 2010 17:18:31 GMT -5
By the way, there is no interest in the Ripper case.
I came up with something about it a few years ago and Bob Mills and I were going to persue it but there is just no interest so it died.
If you're interested at all I have a never before published clue that Bob and I were going to use that I'll tell you about for $ 50,000.00. It implicates the current royal family.
But nada is nada.
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Post by jack7 on Apr 12, 2010 17:45:33 GMT -5
Nope - the ladder would not have worked!
BS is coming down - there is no way that ladder would have accomplished what they say it did. Had to be door entry.
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