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Post by rick3 on Aug 21, 2006 10:36:42 GMT -5
Kevin.....your quote: Quite simple ITS ALREADY BEEN DONE!
I already posted once that Ellis Parker, who as far as we can ascertain, was still solving complicated murder cases thru 1934 went and looked up:
1-all the weather reports for March/April/May of 1932! (30s,40s and 50s with snow in the shade)
and then contacted:
2--real live forensic pathologists who said 70F would be reguired for the severe decomposition! It did not add up.
Ellis Parker, Master Detective, concluded: the outside temperatures were too low AND the body had been moved! As far as WHO would be crazy enough to move the corpse onto Mt. Rose Road...well maybe only Wendel, Schipple or the rumrunners and bootleggers?
Nevertheless, I am however, surprised and astonished, that Sam Bass was not asked to review this t temperature of decomp when he looked at the bones? Why not/
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Post by rick3 on Aug 21, 2006 11:43:53 GMT -5
Hi Michael:
When it comes to local, surely someone thoroughly checked out St. Michales Orphanage too??? I know someone thought the questioning of the Headmistress at the Trial left a few holes in the possibilty of a missing kid too? After all, the kid did NOT have to be missing exactly on 1 March 32 since there was no body then? As far as we can surmise, there was NOBODY until 12 May?
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Post by kevkon on Aug 22, 2006 20:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by rick3 on Aug 23, 2006 13:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by rick3 on Aug 27, 2006 18:16:25 GMT -5
There appears to be two active (2) phases in Ellis Parkers pursuit of Paul H. Wendel with a huge inactive hiatus intervening: Phase I (1932): Immediately following the kidnap Parker gives a press statement to the local paper to act as a go-between and insure the safe return of Charlie Jr. {CAL picks Doc Condon instead?} In a series of three phone calls, Wendel calls Parker, saying he has info on the location of Charlie. Exposing Wendel as the caller, Parker makes Wendel one of his own investigators. Wendel claims that the baby was taken out the front door, a screwdriver was used to open the window, and the baby's corpse found is not CALJr? Parker believes Wendel is the snatcher/ Phase II (1933-1934) Where's Wendel? Phase III(1935-36) Following the Trial of BRH, Governor Hoffman's investigation forms an investigative team including Lockwood, Hicks, Hudson, Loney, Pelletreu, Conklin, Guthrie etc. Late in the 9th inning, Ellis Parker grabs Wendel in desperation and has him write 3 confessions? Too little too late/ What was shaking during the lengthy gap in Phase II?
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Post by Michael on Aug 29, 2006 16:53:39 GMT -5
He was doing the same thing during this time as well. I continued through 1932 and 1933 with my investigtations and contacted him from time to time by phone and mail, at the same time did some work in my laboratory in Trenton (p15 The Lindbergh-Hauptmann Aftermath).
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Post by rick3 on Aug 30, 2006 2:39:27 GMT -5
Michael RE: Wendel, thanks? As for Parker's activity during the same 2 years Reisinger implies that Ellis was just "sitting out on the sidelines" vis-a-vis the LKC? This could be true due to his shutout of most information, but, at the same time EP was reportedly still solving other tough cases? Maybe his ego was bruised?
But nevertheless, what an odd dance for Wendel and Parker? Each clever and smart and each apparently trying to outfox the other? Like a chess match to the death and Wendel appears to win out in the end?
Kevin--I suppose some corpses are returned? But there must be some distance factors at play here? It seems more likely to dump a baby's corpse a few miles away than across State lines from the Bronx to Hopewell? Just as dangerous as the CJ gambits in Woodlawn and St. Raymonds--given the outside chance your car would be seen--unless of course you pass by this location every day like William Allen? "Them that hides, can find":Ben Gun.
Mairi--anyding is possible, however objective scientific inquiry taking into account the t daily temps for 72 days, combined with the opinions of forensic pathologists, combined with experience of the Worlds Greatest Detective should carry the day? [as it should have in the Trial as well?] As far as I'm concerned it can only be challenged by others equally qualified like Sam Bass from UT who apparently wasnt asked?
Lizz--are you familiar with soils themselves imparting black color? Is it high iron soils for instance and some sort of oxidation or is itan acid or pH effect when something like wood is high in iron first? Its common to see blackened wood, yet solid, in the forest?
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Post by kevkon on Aug 30, 2006 5:32:23 GMT -5
That is assuming one only has two choices. You seem to believe it is either the Bronx or the Sourlands. I am not so sure of that.
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Post by rick3 skeptic5 on Aug 30, 2006 8:33:42 GMT -5
kevin/ for the time being lets just assume that the dump site was chosen specifically:
1. Main road or drag near Hopewell 2. For the sole purpose of being found sooner or later 3. It would have been far easier to loose it somewhere else where it never would have been seen or found again
Now we need the reason/motive for finding:
1/ Ends all extortion calls from CAL 2/ Starts up the free flow of Sourland rumrunners
Certain small oddities:
1/ Anne doesnt go and view Xharlie? Even though he looked OK (Mairi)? 2/ CAL is out of towne sailing the ocean blue with Hoaxer Curtis? 3/ Instant cremation/ no marker/ no memorial/ no fuss?
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Post by Michael on Aug 30, 2006 18:18:22 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I am still of the opinion that Schindler's car is connected to this crime. If this is the case, why'd they pick Lakewood to steal a car?
I still like to point out the Police believed an "insider" and a "local" were involved... if this was the case, perhaps they knew better then to have the child anywhere in the immediate area.
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Post by rick3 on Sept 1, 2006 7:25:40 GMT -5
Michael.....no matter what Wendel was doing in NYC during the gap, interval, hiatus, break, void....What was Ellis Parker doing? It doesn't add up? Ellis Parker ultimately "gives his life" to prove that Wendel is guilty, but during the most intense period of BRH activity in between he's just sitting on the sidelines? Parker made all his significant determinations "early on prior to BRH arrest"? Parker never swayed from these early solves and never recanted in prison. What kept Parker quiet for two full years (1933-1935)? [One passage claims that Wilintz would not let Parker testify for the defense] Were Parkers hands completely tied until Hoffman becomes Governor?
With respect to the "blackened skeleton" here is an intriguing excerpt from one of Wendel's confessions: "I took care of the baby until shortly before April 1st when it died. I put it down in the chemical closet in the cellar and I wanted to dessicate the body and it was treated with acid hardening and I let it be there for a period of 10 days and put it into a burlap bag and then took it up on Mt. Rose Road near the orphanage in the middle of April 1932." Paul H. Wendel Feb 26, 1936
Wendel had some training in Pharmacy and Chemistry and seems to know a little too much about this process?:
Boric acid hardening-fixing bath The hardening agent in an acid hardening-fixing bath causes the precipitation of aluminum sulfite when the acid becomes ... <www.city-net.com/~fodder/hand/bwneg.html>
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Post by kevkon on Sept 1, 2006 9:09:04 GMT -5
On the other hand Rick wouldn't you sat that the Wendel "confession" given under duress, is completely off the mark regarding the Nursery entry.
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Post by leah on Sept 1, 2006 17:08:52 GMT -5
rick, where did you find Wendel's confession, if you dont mind saying? thanks
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Post by gary on Sept 1, 2006 19:03:47 GMT -5
Concerning Wendel. I've always thought a possibility that Wendel knew an inside story of how the kidnapping was done. We know the unproven account but the possibility that Fisch knew Wendel. So far as Wendel making a valid confession to be impossible but to have tidbits of info regardless. Just enough to get him in trouble with Parker. I truly believe Parker was not a stupid man but fell into a bad spot to get the confession to beat the clock of the execution.
Michael. Can you explain Schindler's car? With the passsage of time I've missed your reasoning here.
Other things I've been trying to read and study through lately and have been coming to a temporary opinion of I'll mention below. Any comments or help will be appreciated.
Baker in my mind is involved in the transfer of gold notes. Maybe he found a good deal or maybe he received a payment from a gambling debt that somehow had a tie to the kidnapping. Whatever his extent of involvement or non involvement he wanted out of dodge fast.
In studying Sharp I believe she was in fear of being exposed as an informant to the media of the going ons of the Lindbergh family. This fear was misinterpreted pertaining to the Kidnapping.
I believe the thumbguard finding was planted. What its meaning might only be interpreted by the person who was meant to be a recipient of the message. I would have my guesses.
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Post by Leah on Sept 1, 2006 19:30:01 GMT -5
gary, i agree that viiolet sharpe was leading a life that carried many risks and would have been devastated if she had lost her job and had to return to the UK. that little poem she wrote seems to reveal her ambitions. im surprised the police didnt fill Morrow/lindberghs on what investigations did discover about her personal life. they seemed to defend their servants but didnt know everything about them
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Post by rick3 on Sept 1, 2006 21:59:30 GMT -5
Hi Leah.....I found Wendel's confession at the NJSP Archives. Well, not exactly, I emailed Mark Falzini and he copied it for me/ see his email in Links.
2. Gary...sure but Wendel knows just a few too many specific facts to suite me. He makes his stories sound just too believable so either he did it, or heard the stories first hand. He knew every turn for every street between his home and High-fields. He scared the bejesus outta Anna Balding when she said ..."Do you have the baby at your house"? Keeping in mind that Ellis Parker is the only real live World Famous homicide Det. of the bunch. The rest collectively come up with dead nothing in 30 months?
3. Remember that Violet Sharpe at first is cocky (wink) and flip and defiant....then big change of heart. Could this be when Charlie falls out of bed or catches a bullet in the back of the head? Then Violet simply falls to pieces? Like day and nite?
4. And last--the thumbguard is found by Betty Gow on April Fools Day...just 24 hours before the ransom payment at St. Raymonds. Its clearly no accident and a token that....well, so "pay up" tomorrow and you will get Charlie back too in due time/. All systems go!
5. Oops, and Schindler's Brown Buick Brogham. Well, thats tougher? Maybe this represents the Englewood Connection? Duane William Baker steals the car in Lakewood, and delivers the Samuelsohn ladder and the ransom note to Wendel at Highfields. Later drops off the car at JJ Faulkner Apartments in the Bronx? Well, always a work in progress? (see Loss of Eden by Milton)
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Post by leah for rick3 on Sept 2, 2006 8:26:32 GMT -5
i'm just wondering out loud but somethings you posted intrigued me. Wendel had prior contact with capone,right? didnt he try to swindle im with a bogus scheme? anyway, if the mob was angry with him and wanted retaliation why not use him? i.e. kidnap the baby because cals cooperation with the feds and bootlegging. if this was the motive i would think it would be easy to scope out inside help that might be suseptable to blackmail. its too bad there is no way to check out the rumor that wendel n fisch had been attorney/client at one time. sounds like they were two of a kind! the thumbguard as a "sign" seems like mob. if fisch was involved he must have realised how trusting hauptman was during their partnership. sometimes i get the facts in this case confused with conjecture.
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Post by Michael on Sept 2, 2006 10:01:47 GMT -5
I was using this as an example to compliment Kevin's point concerning the fact there are more choices then just the Bronx and Hopewell.
An earlier poster, who I can't recall at the moment, mentioned the recovery of Schindler's car in front of Plymouth Apts mentioning the witness seeing a "pop-eyed" man and they were wondering is this might have been Whittaker. Actually, Baker had this attribute and it was described as someone having a "thyroid" condition.
I agree there is more to the Sharp angle then has been told... But I cannot accept she off'd herself because she thought she'd have to go back to England. Look at Gow for example, who quit and went back on her own.
I am not so sure it was. Has everyone read John's book yet? I like the way he works in Scaduto's interview with Bleefeld, etc. I want to wait until everyone has a chance to read and digest his book. I don't want to spoil it for anyone because, of course, I have some unseen and interesting material to share. ;D As I think everyone knew I would.
Honestly though, I am still researching this angle and next trip to the Archives will be 100% on this subject.
Let me say that I don't think Wendel could have possibly climbed that ladder, but Gary makes an interesting observation. Certain people seemed to know a little more then they should have known. Exactly why they did needs to be investigated.
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Post by rick3 on Sept 2, 2006 11:15:19 GMT -5
Hi Leah....this is easy to do since the case is 80% conjecture; eg half-truths; and 20% facts. Just separate the Cs from the Fs? I think we should combine the hints of olde foxes: EP and MM: 1. There is an insider and a local? Well the candidates for insider are very few.....three to be exact: Betty CAL and Ollie. a. Betty has connections with RED, her brother, and b. Ollie has connections to Violet Sharpe, *Fisch*, and Temple of Divine Power All 3 are dead before BRH is arrested? c. CAL has connections to Carrell, JP Morgan, Donovan etc 2. Who's our candidates for a local: (someone nutso enough to dump Charlie out along the road) a. Wendel has connections to Capone, Callibrese, and *Fisch*b. Schippel has connections to Bronx, VA and Mt Rose Hill c. Some other buddy of Fisch/Wendel who lives near bye? 3. Apparently our insiders don't know our outsiders? Maybe thats why they need so many tokens and signals? 4. Ellis Parker proclaims early on that the kidnapping is completely separate crime from the extortion. So, the kidnap must be LOCAL and the extortion in the Bronx is GLOBAL. Thats how BRH gets off the hook in the kidnap/murder. Ellis Parker interviews Stielwig who says *Fisch* had Gold Certs in 1933 when he bought his steamship passage to Germany. They were never recorded, however a whole bunch of Gold Certs were not recorded after the Trial of the Century thanks to Schvartzkopf? 5. At various junctures, Condon picks John Gorch and a short guy with a thumb-bunyan and a hacking cough for CJ? John Gorch is a ringer for Wendel and *Fisch* is a ringer for #2. Also, we need two Italians: one man/one woman...hows about Mary and Peter? They show up in Princeton on March 6th thanks to a telegram? 6. Wendel appears to know more about the crime AFTER the Trial than the persecution did during the Trial?
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Post by kevkon on Sept 2, 2006 11:36:41 GMT -5
I think Gary should get multiple exalts for actually researching a character in this case and offering a non-kidnap related explanation for their actions. I wonder how many other characters who exhibit suspicious or unusual behavior are misunderstood and their actions mistaken.
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Post by Michael on Sept 2, 2006 13:04:28 GMT -5
A double-exalt? I don't think its ever been done....
I agree there are many non-kidnap explanations. There were also some "shady" things going on besides the kidnap which could account for actions that look suspicious. Even some Police were committing crime or had a record before becoming Cops. There's a million and one things that could be going on but because of the case we tend to focus on actions and view them in that context only.
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Post by rick3 skeptic4 on Sept 6, 2006 10:08:22 GMT -5
Michael--my second feeling is what an enormous uphill task it must have been for Ellis Parker to try, for whatever reasons, to solve the LKC! He was totally out of the loop without copies of the ransom notes, or access to Condon as described by John Riesinger. Parker was still solving seemingly unsolvable murder cases in 1934 as evidenced by Master Detective and The Cunning Mulatto. But EP had less than a snowballs chance in Hell of solving the LKC because he was sitting on his hands on the sidelines on his own whistling in the dark.
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Post by rick3 on Sept 16, 2006 12:37:14 GMT -5
Kevin: I sure hope you voted for Bush/Cheney? They are going to keep studying Global Warming until we are all driving boats? They will never have enough information and never reach a single concrete substantive conclusion on anything?
I found some partial answers to my own query: from page 176 of Master Detective IN: Lindbergh-Hoffman Aftermath by Wendel page 54
>CJ has a big gun in a holster or Condon? Answer : Its Cemetary John AND presumably Wendel.
>this gun traced to man dead five years? Answer: Initials are J.W.
>gun given to man Parker has in mind? Who dat? Answer: Paul H. Wendel must have lent the gun to Parker and he traced it to the widow who gave it to Wendel in payment for filing the dead husbands estate in 1929. In Wendels confession he takes it along on the snatch as well/
For my 2cts, the gravity of this situation with all the guns is fascinating? CAL/JFC/CJ,,,,smacks of the mob or Mafia with everyone packing a heater? {or Dutch Schultz}
So the evidence that Paul Wendel is CJ is scant but not zero. After all Condon chased John Gorch all over the East Coast and John is a dead-ringer for Wendel....or at least his brother? So when Condon was not fingering Isador Fisch, "Doc" Wendel was second. Maybe JFC met Doc out on the boat? [We are still searching for a "stoop-shouldered man with a limp" unless its Duane Charles Baker?]
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Post by kevkon on Sept 16, 2006 17:03:01 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint you Rick, but I didn't ( Don't have much use for people with an agenda).
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Post by rick3 on Oct 16, 2006 8:22:47 GMT -5
Ellis Parker alludes to the fact that Paul H. Wendel owned a gun in a holster? [from page 176 of Master Detective IN: Lindbergh-Hoffman Aftermath by Wendel page 54]
And that Ellis Parker had traced this gun back to its original owner when he had it under safe keeping from Paul. It was a gift from the widow of J.W.
Jafsie Condon noticed that CJ#1 was packing at the long sit-down near Woodlawn Cemetary. Does this add even a microgram of credance to Wendel being one of many CJ\s--especially since he is a ringer for John Gorch? Did Wendel and Fisch play Condon at Woodlawn? Condon probably never saw clearly CJ#2 since he "threw the bundle of ransom money over a hedge" in the dark? (per Gaston Means to EWM)
Kevin--Excellent repartee! You are such an erudite fellow--Why dont you explain to me in detail how David Copperfield makes Diamond Head disappear to a TV audience of a couple million viewers? Just make believe its BRH climbing the Lindbergh Ladder at Highflelds.(250 words or less please!)
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Post by kevkon on Oct 16, 2006 16:28:42 GMT -5
I guess if you have never climbed a ladder before it can seem like magic. Actually it's easy, one hand and one foot at a time. Remember to alternate. Practice at home and let me know how you make out!
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Post by rick for michael on Nov 19, 2006 8:37:24 GMT -5
Michael--you have placed alot of weight to the hair analysis of Mr. Lane in confirming Charlies identity:
Does Lane's analysis of the abnormalities of Charlies hair nodes lead to any conclusions about Charlies overall health? Can the NJN Documentary be placed on the Web?
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Post by Michael on Nov 19, 2006 10:37:28 GMT -5
Rick,
The Sharpe statement is on that huge paper. I posted one page on the other thread but its a difficult scan to say the least. Are you interested in the rest of it? Let me know and I will post makesure you can see it.
Lane's reports to Lt. Peterson simply stated the match between the comparison of the control hairs. It was in his interview with NJN that he gives his opinion that "it could have been from some disease or some, just some abnormality in the hair" (Newman, NJN 1989).
I am told Experts can determine alot from the hair and the fingernails.
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Post by mairi on Nov 19, 2006 14:44:40 GMT -5
Hi Folks~ Re: the hair comparison. The only thing I've read about that is that Swartzy provided a sample. Can't recall now where I read it. But the thing that bothered me at the time was that it gave no description of how or where it had been obtained. I think it was being compared with clippings from a recent haircut the child had, had. As to hair nodes, I googled that in. Nothing really jumped out at me except that the hair breaks easily and that often the head of hair will appear very thin-very sparse. Thanx for those good copies you posted, Michael. Very interesting to read.
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Post by rick for Michael on Nov 19, 2006 21:54:01 GMT -5
Michael--in one of your posts, someyear, somewhere, I recall your saying that you submitted Doc Michell's autopsy, VanIngren's letter and Lanes hair analyisis to some forensic pathologist and that in her/his opinion Charlie might have something much more serious than an enlarged head, unclosed fontenelles, rickets, overlapped toes and/or Vit D deficiency? Did any of the more serious maladies include a VP shunt insertion: uscneurosurgery.com/infonet/surgery/procedures/VP_shunt.htm#position
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