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Post by Michael on Nov 29, 2008 8:50:43 GMT -5
Let me first say that researching any angle into this case is like conducting your own investigation. You have to properly evaluate what you have and apply it to what was said by those interviewed then factor in the possibilities concerning what you do not have.
What makes Crazy Allen's statement above so absurd is his inability, time and time again, to understand the basic differences between the payrolls and the time sheets. Next, he used to assert neither existed, as it applied to Hauptmann, and wagered his original copy of The Snatch Racket to Rab if they did... It was his position that the receipts proving they existed were "wish lists"...
This is yet but one example of his silly "logic" as it applies to this case.
Needless to say, those of us who actually research the case already had copies of everything and so once he was proven to be incorrect, he welched on his bet and never delivered the book to Rab as promised.
Anyone surprised about that?
Now comes this new book, which I haven't read and not sure I will, and now Allen uses this to somehow take an uniformed, ignorant, and venomous attack against Lloyd (Dr. Gardner). Yes, the guy who I still run into at the Archives doing research on the case.
Funny, I have NEVER run into Crazy Allen. He seems content looking things up in Fisher's index, plagiarizing my material, and falsely representing Newspaper Reports as Police Reports in order to look more creditable.
He's not. By his own admission, he's been to the NJSP Archives, briefly, once. What did he find on the Majestic during this visit I wonder? Does he even remember this visit? Even Jim Fisher was there for about a week or so... But like me, Lloyd spent YEARS researching this material.
So much for that idiot Allen.
Here's the problem with the Majestic Payrolls as I have found after rolling up my sleeves and doing actual Archival Research.....
There are several copies. Some copies are copies of originals, and others are corrected copies of copies. These corrected copies show much different information then the originals.
Just as an example: On the Feb 29 payroll it lists "John McGuire", Asst. Engineer. How much was he paid? Well, that depends on which copy you have. The original show $45.00. If I have the original does that prove he didn't make what the corrected copy (found elsewhere) shows he made? So if I am ignorant, and say he didn't make $57.50, would I be in a position to attack someone else who is in the know?
Now, the only way to know this is to do the actual research. This is why Lloyd's book, The Case That Never Dies is so good - because he actually has done it.
Next, after evaluating the statements, interviews, and reports that surround the management and staff at both Reliable, Reliance, and Majestic - it proves some people are listed on the payroll but not on the time sheets AND some are on the time sheets but not the payroll... it also proves people who worked may not show on either the payroll or the time sheets. They appear on the "complaint sheets" which are added to the pay later on by the time keeper.
I have names and amounts for people who worked side by side with other workers during this time frame who don't appear on these payroll, time sheet, checks, or employment cards. Yet, they worked there and were paid.
Instead of pretending to be an expert, Crazy Allen needs to put down Fisher's book, get off his as*, and do some research. We've all got that "Nutty" relative in every family who nobody wants to sit next to, or the lonely guy at the football games 2nd guessing the coach (but never played a down in his life). The Kidnapping Boards has one of those too, unfortunately, and his name is Crazy Allen.
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Post by kevkon on Nov 30, 2008 8:11:19 GMT -5
JUST ONE !!!! ? This case has more nuts around than Planters. So what do you feel can be determined from the Majestic records? Is there anyone else of interest on the sheets?
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Post by Michael on Nov 30, 2008 10:53:51 GMT -5
The information regarding the Majestic employment is, like most everything else, scattered among the many collections at the NJSP.... Hoffman Collection (in several places), State Police Files, L-Files, Accordion Files, The Closet!!!....
This is my real point. You can't simply see one thing and draw a conclusion. From everything I have seen, which did indeed take me 8 years to collect, it shows that nothing at the Archives indicates Hauptmann didn't expect to work March 1st. Nothing shows conclusively that he didn't go there that day.
Anyone who says any different, in my opinion, hasn't done the required research OR found something elsewhere that I haven't seen in addition to everything I have. If I wanted to, I could hand anyone (1) document to "prove" whatever I like in this case. BUT, like everyone who posts here - we know better.
It's why I am so perplexed when I read Allen hurling barbs, and making outrages libelous attacks against Lloyd by pretending to be an Expert. It's quite clear that he's jealous of Dr. Gardner and his abilities. Then you have people (who are probably laughing at him privately) that coddle and even encourage him to make ignorant, asinine, and perpetrate baseless attacks against people who do the research that he himself refuses to.
Write a book review on the case? A review based upon what exactly? Fantasy? Newspaper Reports? Fisher's book? Huh?
The man lives right in Brooklyn but simply will not take the trip to West Trenton to do research. Yet, he can slander/libel A&M by making fun of them for, according to him, writing a book but not doing research at the Archives.... THEN he turns around and attempts to undermine Lloyd's creditability, attempt to ruin his book, and generally talk trash about him every chance he gets based upon so much less then what he accuses A&M of.
He needs help.
Anyway, what I get from the research is if Hauptmann does go to Majestic on March 1st, or even expects to, then I feel its an important fact to consider regarding the crime itself.
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Post by Michael on Apr 4, 2009 7:40:51 GMT -5
Someone was so kind as to email me a copy of another outlandish post made on the Allen's Yahoo! Bored. Since it concerns this topic I figured I would both expose its Author and dismantle his "point(s)."
First thing I ask is that you re-read this entire thread starting with my post dated 11-29-08....
I agree with JimmyD3 that "looking" at the actual evidence is a useful exercise - so why hasn't HE done that? Kennedy and Scaduto didn't have it all to see at the time but there is much more now that is available. I know because I found it. Funny, I never saw JimmyD3 there or saw his name in the log while I have been at the NJSP Archives over the last 9 years. Maybe I just missed him? Ask him how many times he has been there next time he sounds off about what others should do. It leads me to wonder if he's simply not telling people to do what he refuses to.
Now do the payroll checks prove the payrolls were not altered?
Abslutely not. And JimmyD3 would know this if he took his very own advice and looked at the evidence... not just what has been handed to him. He should make an appointment at the NJSP Archives, roll up his sleeves, and find everything, like I have, Lloyd has, and many others who dared to do what he challenges to others.
Wow, sounds like he knows what he's talking about right? He's wrong because he is arguing from a position of ignorance. His argument is based upon a false dichotomy which is readily revealed to those who have actually done what he challenges.
The checks are only 1 piece of a puzzle involving several. If one properly researches this angle, you can see there are several and they all have to be properly evaluated. You can't just look at one thing then jump to conclusions.
So much for the quality of JimmyD3's "scholarship." Why are so many people posting on this Bored like this? "Do as I say but not as I do?"
No thanks. I'll stick to the source material and Archival Research.
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