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Post by rick3 on Aug 27, 2006 5:12:28 GMT -5
Michael...your two posts on Arthur Koehler remind me of two issues or odd coincidences:
The Holy Trinity of Evidence convicting BRH of the Lone Wolfe Kidnap consisted of the Chisel, the Ladder and the Handwriting. AG Wilintz clearly demanded that all 3 hook to BRH! Your two posts on AK remind us that he was the soul expert testimony on 2 of the 3! This alone is astounding in a huge case! AG Wilintz certainly found a willing and cooperative witness for the persecution in AK! Its surprizing that Art didnt also give expert testimony on the ransom notes and handwriting--but Son of Koehler (Kelvin) is making up for lost time here. [It always slays me that AK asked for the Governors reward money]
Second, and more important to the discussion, is that all the hubbub about the need to trace the lumber to National had little or nothing to do with Bruno Hauptmann. BRH was flying way under the radar until 19 September 1934. So for 30 odd months who was the Prime Suspect being targeted by the Genius of Koehler's wood tracking....none other than our favorite truthslayer and go-between Dr.Jafsie Condon! Thats why the BOI in the form of Sisk and Manning, are tracking every word JFC said in the summer of 1933 about the ransom box and finding Abe Samuelsohn and the cabinet makers shoppe. I am also reminded about Koehlers hand written letter to Capt. Lamb about Rail 16. AK is sneaking around under cover in Condons neighborhood looking for a handy place to nail up Rail 16! On a barn or garage. But at the time he forgets to bring Condons precise house # so he just estimates where it might go?
As JFCs lies pile up in 1933-34 he must have been feeling the heat? Maybe it is also not just total coincidence that BRH all of a sudden starts passing out Gold Certs for gasoline? BRHs arrest likely saved JFC's a** from a similar fate? With the arrest of Bruno the prosecutions case just shifts from JFC to BRH/ Its fascinating how a plethora of prime suspects end up working for the Prosecution....Condon, Schleser and later Wendel?
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Post by Michael on Aug 27, 2006 10:58:47 GMT -5
Good observations Rick.
I just get the feeling that Condon would have been better off if Hauptmann was not arrested. Their suspicion hit a new level when he was obviously trying to protect him after the arrest. They of course were always skeptical concerning him but no one did anything about it except Inspector Walsh who took an early exit out of the case because the jealousy.
Jealousy is the real reason we do not know the whole entire true story.
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Post by kevkon on Aug 27, 2006 11:01:10 GMT -5
I think we are beyond this.
How do you come up with that? The note regarding the lost address of Condon. If Condon was #1 on the hit parade for Koehler, would he have misplaced his address?? Do you have other FPL documents that indicate Koehler's focus on Jafsie?
How does this work? How do you reconcile this with the known spending?
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Post by rick3 skeptic 5 on Aug 27, 2006 11:59:23 GMT -5
Kevin--I have no more obligation than you when you are selectively "cherry picking" your surprise questions to others posts?
I'm using "circumstantial evidence"--The Gold Cert Standard in the LKC.
Its pretty clear, whether or not AK forgets JFCs address or not, that the lumber is being traced Only To The Bronx? In 1932-34 who are the suspects? Did the ladder need be built in the Bronx? What lumber yard is closest to Condon's house? We can only surmise from actions recorded by the BOI and Harry Walsh and Cal's suspicions and planting of Breckenridge as Condon's babysitter that Condon is a Prime Suspect? His house is spied by the Keystone Kops across the street but he never is tailed because they are sleeping or eating donuts? Nevertheless, JFC the Olde Fool is completely up to the task of fooling everyone. Well almost, Manning and Sisk realize he is lying thru his teeth about Abe Samuelsohn and later....much later, Condon reveals that all along he knew Abe sold the ladder to BRH.....simply:
Do You Believe That Too? All of a sudden, at the 11th hour, under threat of arrest from AGW, Condon fingers BRH as the CJ......"its Bruno Richard Hauptmann!"
Lets assume, as you do, that BRH had all the money all the time, but that only in September 1934, a full 30 months later, BRH gets sloppy and starts "trying to get caught passing the Lindbergh Ramsom"? Up until then...our mastermind' was being careful? Now thats a real Fisch story! "Yup, Ive got hunnerds of these left at home"! DYBT?
I wonder why CAL and JFC didn't treat the last Boad Nelly note with the same "reverence" for fingerprints as the Nursery Note? BRHs fingerprints should have been all over it too/
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Post by kevkon on Aug 27, 2006 13:45:32 GMT -5
You, and all of us who post publicly, have an absolute obligation to post responsibly and to be ready to defend any or all portions of what we propose. If you want to have a private chit chat club where anything flies and is above critical examination, that's another story.
Stop with the word games. I don't assume this, I merely look at what evidence exists and go from there. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it. Show us the evidence trail you are following to conclude that Hauptmann did not have ransom money at his disposal prior to the gas purchase. Show the evidence that Koehler was pursuing Condon.
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Post by acondon on Sept 14, 2006 9:48:31 GMT -5
Hello All: I don't know if I can add anything, as I really came here to learn from all of you. John Condon had the "gift of gab," a bright mind but too much of the ole blarney. It is quite possible that he did talk for an hour, he talked and Cemetery John probably listened.
Dr. Condon was my Greatgrandfather's first cousin. My G. Grandfather was Dennis Doyle. Before he actually wrote the first letter offering to be go-between he contacted my g.g. Grandmother. She warned him this could backfire. She also warned him that he was "always" getting involved and many times it backfired. This time it really backfired.
He was in over his head. He had been threatened by the police with everything from being implicated in the kidnapping to loss of his pension to charges of "impropriaties" with minors.
Once he testified in open court he had to keep up appearances and then wrote the essay Jafsie Tells All. He was a man who believed his own blarney.
On the other hand he was a good natured generous man. He was a Doyle/Condon and always wanted to help the underdog and did have a big heart. My G.Grandfather Dennis Doyle was angry that he went ahead writing the letter and being go-between.
JFC was brilliant and a fascinating lecturer. I think this talent was what helped his testimony convict BRH.
Maybe someone here can answer my question? Does anyone know how JFC's eyesight was when he was 72? Most of the Doyle/Condons, myself included have bad eyes, especially in our later years. Cataracks ran in the Condon/Doyle family. Most of us had them age 60 and plus. Glucoma as well.
JFC always had someone drive for him. One of the nuns at the College of New Rochelle said that whenever he came to teach he always had a bodyguard. This was well before he got involved in the kidnapping case. My thought was he had cataracks. Unfortunately, my Dad and most of those who were close to him in the family have died. I really do not have anyone left (although, I am sure that given the large Doyle/Condon and McGill clan, there are relatives who remember) who can answer my questions.
His father, John Condon (a stonemason) was born in Ireland in 1821, his mother Ellen born in Albany in 1832.
Does anyone have information on JFC's wife Myra (nee Browne?)
There is a relative (a Kate Condon) who lives in Mass. who may shed light on the subject however, my information has it that she wants her privacy and I guess, does not wish to be associated with Dr. Condon. I did hear that she had some of (I think he would be her great grandfather?) papers.
Looking foward to your comments.
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Post by kevkon on Sept 14, 2006 14:10:21 GMT -5
Fascinating! Unfortunately I can't add anything here as my knowlege of JFC is limited. But I would like to ask you, if you don't mind, what is your basic feeling regarding Condon's role in the LKC? I know there are always questions regarding his involvement and I wonder what you think about that.
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Post by Michael on Sept 14, 2006 16:04:39 GMT -5
I have over 15 different folders on Condon but I do not recall any mention of his eyesight. I will comb through to see if I can come up with something for you. Also, I have a file on Dennis Doyle and if there is anything in there that might interest you please let me know.
Not long ago a woman posted that she had Condon's scrap-book on the case. This may be your relative you refer to above....
It's great to have you as a Member!
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Post by acondon on Sept 14, 2006 16:55:48 GMT -5
Ah, Thank you Michael and Kevkon: First of all, YES, anything you can tell me about my Great Grandfather would be of GREAT interest to me. I have retired and am trying to put together some family heritage for my children and grandchildren. Dennis and his wife, my G.Grandmother Susan McGill Doyle are buried at St. Raymond's (old section) in the Bronx along with my Grandfather William Joseph Doyle Sr. and my Grandmother Anna Wolfe Doyle. There are two other people buried in the plot and I belive one is Hoffmann nee Condon. (female)
As for my feeling on his involvement. Ah, from what I ascertained from family discussion at gatherings, he was a person who loved to get involved in everything. He really did want to help people. When, (I believe he was 16) he save a boy, Henry Schaefer from drowning.) Prof. Condon got a medal of honor for lifesaving. I am not sure what kind. I know that someone had researched the Congressional medal of honor winners and his name was not there. I had also heard that the Congressional medal of honor was given quite freely to civilians at that time and later on many civilian names were deleted from the record. The College of New Rochelle (sister whose name escapes me for the moment) did say it was a Congressional Medal of Honor. There is also an Irish medal of honor.
As I stated, he was a fascinating man to talk to, or to listen to. He did posses the gift of blarney too. So, my opinion from the family discussion is that his writing the letter and getting involved was just ONE MORE time he had to get into the mix. He was a frequent writer to the Bronx Home News and other newspapers of the times. He was accustomed to sending in "his opinion" on many issues. No doubt he was brilliant and, in his day, an excellent lecturer. He could command the crowds attention and his language was unique. At family discussions I did hear my Dad and Grandma Doyle say that Dr. Condon did say privately he really was unsure BRH was the kidnapper and when he did not want to identify him Dr. Condon was threatened with 1. implication and involvement in the kidnapping 2. loss of pension due to charges of "impropriaty with minors." This was so untrue. He was never never improper. He did enjoy conversing with his students and did so frequently and regularly at neighborhood luncheonette. Again, he liked talking to the students, having their attention etc. He was principal of PS 12 and one of his students was Dutch Schultz. He also enjoyed boxing and many times could be seen teaching both boys and girls the gentlemanly art of pugerism. He felt that involvement in sport rounded the educational curriculum and the student. He was ahead of his time on that and it was not until the 1960s and JFK that exercise and sports were part of the school program.
Do I think he was involved with BRH before the kidnapping? No. Again, this is just from family discussion and my opinion. I do however feel that his swift shipping out to Panama after the trial was suspect. Maybe he was afraid that Gov. Hoffman would find out that he had doubts going into the trial and might be hit with purgery and he went on vacation. He did take frequent vacations and liked Florida. He loved City Island in the Bronx, a place tht I also love. In fact I met my husband there in 1965 on June 6th.
Please do give me as much information on Dennis Doyle. My GreatGrandmother Susan McGill Doyle did have relatives in the civil war and one of the McGills was a nurse. I had tried to find them in various civil war history books but was unable. My Dad, William J. Doyle Jr. did say that nurse McGill (I don't think I knew her name) had been written in some hisotry book and nursed a general (name escapes me) back to health.
I had heard that Prof. Condon was generous and did help out the family. Susan McGill Doyle had breast cancer and bills were piling up. I believe I heard that he helped my G.Grandfather Dennis Doyle financially.
thank you for your kindness to me. Frankly, I was unsure as to how I would be received. I do have a message board but it deals with emerging infectious disease and the folks there have been posting for years and years. Thank you
Sincerely, Patricia
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Post by Michael on Sept 15, 2006 17:37:20 GMT -5
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Post by kevkon on Sept 16, 2006 6:36:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the response Patricia. It seems that Condon's actions will always arouse peoples suspicions but I do wonder if it isn't more of a case of misunderstanding. Personally, I just can't see him as a willing particpant in the kidnapping.
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Post by Michael on Sept 16, 2006 8:07:22 GMT -5
Patricia,
I am personally not always so kind when it comes to my observations concerning John F. Condon. Hopefully you won't be offended by some of my comments and/or observations, in fact, its good to have you around to possibly give a different perspective on my personal opinions. My positions aren't etched in stone and it is exactly the brain-storming that arises out of our message board forums which assist in getting us closer and closer to the truth.
From the material I have read, it appears Dennis Doyle was somewhat critical of Condon. In fact, he becomes somewhat maligned by some who believe Hauptmann was a "lone-wolf" kidnapper for pointing out certain things that didn't paint such a rosy picture concerning him.
I find this to be an important item since most of us believed this in the first place it certainly helps solidify and/or posture the position more firmly.
It shows that when backed into a corner, so to speak, Jafsie would be willing to "go along" with something.
As with the point above.... Perhaps a similar situation occurred in order to bring him into this case.... Jafsie gave a couple of different reasons for his decision to enter - one being told to Arthur O'Sullivan as we see in Dr. Gardner's, The Case That Never Dies (pgs 70, 85, 100). I have always been of the opinion there is a basis for his stories, that is, Condon didn't simply "make them up" out of thin air. Therefore, this woman who supposedly came and begged him for his help may have existed in one way or another and this seems to be a very important element which was never investigated.
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Post by Michael on Sept 16, 2006 8:38:51 GMT -5
OK, I've just uploaded the last (2) pages of this statement and a discussion seems to have begun there as a result of this document: lindberghkidnap.proboards56.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=source&thread=1158359675&page=1I encourage everyone to register so that you can read, download, and/or get involved in the conversation there. Or, if any Member would simply rather follow their observations here that's fine too. Registering as a Member is harmless and you decide what is public about your profile.
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Post by acondon on Sept 16, 2006 10:18:39 GMT -5
One thing I did forget to mention about Uncle Dinny was that he had epilepsy. He would take epileptic fits. I wonder if his Dad, my Great Grandfather Dennis Doyle had epilepsy? epilepsy and drinking might cause brain damage?
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Post by Giszmo on Sept 17, 2006 23:09:17 GMT -5
Fascinating stuff, Patricia! Have you ever visited or contacted the NJ State Police Museum? I'm sure they'd love to hear from you. Michael has been there several times, I think. I found their website on his "Links" page: www.njspmuseum.org and their contact info is there.
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Post by acondon on Sept 18, 2006 4:56:55 GMT -5
I did want to let you all know, especially Michael, that I am not offended by anything being said here. Facts and facts and when one worries about offending the facts get hidden and obfuscated. No, I am interested in finding the truth, good, bad or ugly. I would like to find out what sent G.Grandpa Dennis to the State Mental Facility at Central Islip. It was a long term place where inmates did not leave except horozonally. Patricia
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Post by acondon on Sept 18, 2006 6:27:06 GMT -5
I would like to know how a supposed carpenter from the bronx would know exactly which window at the Lindbergh's was the nursery? Also how did this carpenter know how tall to build the ladder. Didn't it just reach the window? That ladder actually looks like something a noncarpenter would try to build. A man who is a carpenter by trade, would he build a contraption like that which I see in photos? Supposedly he was taking care of minute details, alone, if we are to believe the police, how would he, a carpenter build a ladder like that?
This is just a thought. I really don't know much, if anything about the kidnapping. OH Michael, no I never did consider going to the NJ State police with my limited info. After all, it is just hearsay, no proof, just what I heard from Granny Doyle and my Dad. ...and some family at gatherings. Mostly it did appear that the family discounted Condon and labeled him a blarney speaker, aka lier. He like to spin the truth the 1. center it around Condon and 2. narrowcast it to whomever he was talking to. If it was Uncle Dinny, a story or the truth would be embelished to suit Condon's view of what Dinny wanted. etc. He probably thought that he was giving the police what they wanted to hear. This narrowcasting ability did make him a good teacher. He does have a good record up at the College of New Rochelle, as far as I could ascertain from the num. I think her name was Sr. Martha Counihan. She stated that he had won "<a Congressional Medal of Honor?< for saving Henry Schaefer from drowning.
I think that the family was angry at him for getting involved and for shinning the spotlight on the family.
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Post by kevkon on Sept 18, 2006 7:39:37 GMT -5
Remember what they say about judging a book by its cover? There is an entire thread on this site with many observations on the ladder. I can say with absolute confidence that this ladder is definately the work of an experienced woodworker and in many ways employs some rather ingenious design elements not found on any other ladder. Please feel free to read over the many posts and ask any questions or make comments as you wish.
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Post by wcollins on Sept 18, 2006 18:28:53 GMT -5
Well, looks like I returned to find a lot of new material. Patricia, your information coming from family discussions and memories adds enormously to our picture of "Jafsie." It fills out many aspects of his character, and, most important, is not inconsistent with what we already knew. He considered himself a great patriot from his loyalty to the Bronx all the way to national issues, and especially national history. He also seems at times an unfulfilled man who longed for attention in the worst way. Probably many people knew that about him, and the idea that he was approached for a special part in the recovery of the child does not mean that he took part in the planning or execution of the crime. It does suggest that he knew much more than he ever told in any of his versions of what happened at Woodlawn. Capt. Walsh for all his faults suspected that was the case, and tried his hardest to find out what it was. Was Condon too unreliable for a special role? I think someone who had observed him over time would not think so. Peculiar in some ways, but probably that would be best for his role. Who can pick out the absolutely true from his various versions of what happened on the phone, when he got the letter, what was said at Woodlawn and St. Raymond's, etc? Did he suddenly go over the top with his story about being held at gunpoint on a boat by several bad guys? Or should that be a tip off that he never really told everything about those conversations at the cemeteries? Why use Condon at all, when the kidnapper(s) had a channel to Breckinridge wide open? Well, you might say, because Col. Breckinridge might have brought in the cops. How did our "unsuspecting kidnapper, CJ" know that Condon would not do the same? Answer: He did not know -- or he knew too much. I use that term, "unsuspecting kidnapper, CJ," because he must be the most remarkable criminal in the world to spend all that time discussing the "case" with Condon at Woodlawn. Most of it, remember, actually had to do with the planning of the crime, the number of people involved, the consequences, etc, and relatively little, if we are to believe Condon, with conditions for payment of the ransom. One blinks in amazement at the length of the conversation. Condon repeated over and over that his goal was to personally place the child's arms around its mother's neck. That would be his reward. At some point he suspected the child was dead, and said he would not have paid the money until he saw the child. Did he learn that that night at Woodlawn? He demanded a receipt at St Raymond's -- which would show, presumably, that he had carried out his side of the bargain even so, since Lindbergh and his advisors were insistent it be paid. Forgive the rambling on about things you already know. But you have added much to think about.
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Post by acondon on Sept 23, 2006 15:07:58 GMT -5
I hope I have helped. I know Uncle Dinny's report verified Condon lied and told different versions of facts. In that section of the bronx everyone knew everyone and I cannot help but wonder if BRH and Condon had crossed paths. The folks on Decatur were a big part of fordham road. They went to City Island and Orchard beach for recreation etc. I also wondered if Condon had ever rented a room to students from Fordham. In the 1960s people on Decatur would rent out an extra room to Fordham students. I know this because I went to Elizabeth Seton college at the time, 1965 and 1966 and we were sister/brother schools with Fordham. I went to the dances at Fordham univ an had a beau from Fordham. He rented a room on Decatur and said that several homes rented rooms. In the 30s, depression time it is reasonable to think that home owners would do the same. My goodness, Jafsie would have had a ready made audience at the dinner table. That would be an interesting fact to try to uncover.
I still do not have any definitive facts of Great Grandpa Dennis Doyle regarding his incarceration at Central Islip Insane Asylum. I am in the process of trying to sort out how to go about seeing a copy of the committment papers. Wasn't Gov. Lehman governor at that time? I thought I remembered seeing a letter from Jafsie to Lehman? Did he know the Governor?
One really does wonder what CJ and Condon talked about for ONE hour at woodlawn. If I had kidnapped a prominent infant I certainly would not sit and chew the fat with a complete stranger, one who was going to act as go between the Lindberghs and the kidnappers. I am sure that Jafsie had center stage that night. Also, what puzzles me was the fact that Jafsie told G.Grandma Susan that he could not identify C.J. yet he sat face to face for one hour. Jafsie should have been adept at studying facial expressions, accent etc. An hour. it appeared that he was telling her the truth. He led her to get the idea that he did not want to id BRH as CJ because he was not sure they were one and the same. Does that make sense? Once he got the "push" to id CJ as BRH he went full force, in public. I wish we had more writing from Uncle Dinny. Again, I wondered if my G.Grandpa was going to "rat" Jafsie out?
If you know anything about a Lehman/Jafsie connection please let me know. An important man like the gov. of NY certainly could see to it that someone gets incarcerated into an asylum. Just a thought, probably way off base.
Patricia Doyle
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Post by sue75 on Sept 23, 2006 16:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by mairi on Oct 11, 2006 13:17:28 GMT -5
Have searched around for the exact date Curtis or his rep came into play. Am trying to put it together with CJ's remark about the people down"soud". By what means would CJ have known about the Curtis group(?) All I can find so far is Kennedy's book mentioning Curtis in April, then a newspaper with 14 April mention. CJ wouldn't have bothered to say that(soud) on ransom payment night, to my mind. Did Condon make this up to protect his turf(?) Was the Curtis contact publicized before cJ was out of the picture?
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Post by Michael on Oct 11, 2006 17:50:32 GMT -5
The first contact, according to Curtis was on the night of March 9th. Curtis called Highfields on the 10th and spoke to Rosner. Peacock wrote a letter to Mrs. Morrow dated the 11th. On March 18th (or 19th) they spoke with Lindbergh on the phone. Curtis went to Highfields on March 22nd and according to some documents I found in the Hoffman Collection it was first mentioned in the papers Curtis was connected with the case on March 23rd. I see (3) possibilities: - Condon was making this up and attributed it to CJ ex post facto.
- CJ was aware of Curtis by and thru his inside connection.
- Curtis had been in touch with some of the actual Kidnappers who had split up after the 9th.
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Post by Michael on Oct 17, 2006 5:36:12 GMT -5
Here's an interesting letter Condon wrote to the Lindbergh's immediately following the discovery of the child: (Dated May 14, 1932) My dear Colonel and Mrs. Lindbergh:
Our entire family, and my immediate friends extend to you and yours, our deepest and heartfelt sympathy in this trying hour for the loss of your beloved son.
Anything that I can say or do might not act as a balm during this time of your unparalleled bereavement, but I want both you and Mrs. Lindbergh to know that I did my best, following your darling from birth, feeling the deepest admiration for the bravest father that America ever knew, and the most gracious, patient mother under the blue canopy of heaven.
In conclusion let me beg of you both to devote your time to recuperating for the sake of the one, who is coming and to kindly remember that I am carrying on day and night, for you.
Regards to Mrs. Morrow please.
Truly yours;
John F. Condon
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Post by rick3skeptic5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:49:17 GMT -5
Odd last paragraph from Jafsie?
Lets assume that the one who is coming is John/ oops, I mean Jon as in JonBenetRamsey? (and not Jesus which would be The One)
Carrying on what for you? The search for CJ or Charlie Jr. etc?
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Post by mairi on Oct 18, 2006 11:30:14 GMT -5
"remember I am carrying on day and night, for you". Yep, strange, strange. Think he got an answer to his letter? (evidently Betty Gow never had a response in all those years from her letter to the LBs). Be interesting to know what kind of "carrying on" he did. Something I read years ago left me with the impression that he did continue the hunt, though I've never seen anything else to indicate that.
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Post by acondon on Oct 18, 2006 15:08:20 GMT -5
Hello All: I thought that "the one who is coming" refers to the baby that Ann and Lindy were expecting. In other words, Dr. Condon was telling them they need to recouperate and save strength for the new baby. I assume he knew Ann was expecting.
I assume that he meant, by "I am carrying on for you" meant that he was still looking for the kidnappers.
Patricia Doyle
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Post by rick3 on Oct 19, 2006 9:26:48 GMT -5
Hi Patricia...I can readily agree with you: However, it seems way out there for Condon to be catching anyone? Over time he identified nearly every person in the Bronx as CJ? Fisch/Nosovitsky vs. Wendel/Gorch vs. Scandanavian Seamen? Who is missing? This could just as easily refer to "carrying on" in some type of secret understanding or agreement to hide the Truth? II. The sequence of events following the discovery of a baby's skeleton on Mt Rose Road seems a bit odd to me? - Usually family members or next of kin identifications occur before the medical autopsy? After 72 days there is no big rush to autopsy immediately--eg before the ID's?
- The autopsy is incomplete on the Worlds Most Famous Baby? No tissues, xrays, or photographic evidence are preserved?
- No precise cause or mechanism of death is described? "Skull fractures due to brutal and fearful blows to the head".
- The round hole above right ear is left up in the air as if maybe, or possibly caused by a bullet, that may have been lost in moving or transfer?
- Coroner Swayze does the autopsy as Mitchells hands--this fact is kept a secret for decades?
- DR. MITCHELL said. "Miss Gow was not able to identity the body entirely to my satisfaction". Nevada State Journal
- "The body had a hole the size of a quarter just above the forehead" (visible on certain photos) Nevada State Journal
- Dr VanIngen, Charlie's pediatrician attends the autopsy but cannot confirm positive identification due to severe decomposition of the skeleton?
- CAL orders the baby cremated within 24 hours and Anne never sees Charlie Jr. again?
- Was CAL masterminding all the above by telephone before he could get home on 13 March from Cape May, NJ? If not, who else?
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Post by Michael on Oct 19, 2006 16:10:23 GMT -5
I agree with your interpretation Patricia.... I view the timing of the letter as calculated - perhaps to simply look for the support needed after the situation which developed once CJr. was discovered.
I also look at the wording - its quite odd. Is there more to this letter? Maybe an underlying message?
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Post by sue75 on Oct 21, 2006 7:08:35 GMT -5
Hi Rick,
You can add Sam Garelick to the list of possible Cemetery John suspects named by Condon.
Have you heard of him? Condon went to see him in prison a few days before the start of the trial in 1935. Seems like he wasn't too sure about naming Hauptmann. I think Inspector Hicks had lots of information on Garelick.
"Bayonne Woman Divorces Lindbergh Case Character"
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March 14, 1936
"Sam Garelick, who is now serving a life sentence in Florida on a kidnaping charge and whose name has been mentined recently in connection with the Lindbergh case,was charged by Mrs. Gertrude Garlelick, 397 Avenue C, Bayonne, in [] Court yesterday on the ground of cruelty...
Recently, Gov. Hoffman, in his re-opening of the Lindbergh case, mentioned Garelick's name, and annnounced that Dr. John C. "Jafsie" Condon, after positively identifying Hauptmann as the ransom receiver, visited Garelick in the Florida jail Hoffman has interpreted this action as indicative of uncertainty in Condon's mind as to the identification of Hauptmann."
Sue
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