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"Boad"
Aug 28, 2012 11:40:59 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 11:40:59 GMT -5
BR, thanks for directing me to the first page of this thread. I should have started reading there first. Alot of good information on that page also.
Handwriting Analysis is complicated to say the least and not an exact enough science to me. So many experts evaluate the same writings differently. How is one to know who is really correct?
Instead of relying upon just the handwriting to tie Hauptmann to the ransom notes, why didn't they put him on a lie detector machine? Wouldn't that have been a lot quicker way to find out if he was guilty?
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"Boad"
Aug 28, 2012 13:23:49 GMT -5
Post by bookrefuge on Aug 28, 2012 13:23:49 GMT -5
Amy, as you may know, Hauptmann begged to be given a polygraph test. This was an odd request to make if he was guilty. I have heard it conjectured that Hauptmann thought he could beat the test, but how could he be confident of that? This was pretty new technology at the time. Incidentally, he also asked that Condon be given a polygraph—the outcome of which Hauptmann could have no control over. Of course, none of this ever happened. Personally, I wish that polygraphs had been administered to both men. Even if the results were inadmissible and inconclusive, Hauptmann’s and Condon’s reactions to a variety of questions about the case would be interesting to factor into our view of the crime.
Incidentally, Jack Ruby also begged to be given a polygraph after numerous theories were advanced that he was part of a larger plot. He was given the polygraph test, was asked many questions, and passed with flying colors.
It is absolutely true that a polygraph can beaten by a guilty person. But those people are in the minority. Polygraphs are generally considered to be better than 80 percent reliable, at least in today’s state of technology.
I am not arguing that the polygraph business proves anything in the LKC. But had Hauptmann been offered a polygraph, and refused to take it, you can be sure that some would argue this as evidence of his guilt. That he asked for a polygraph is, to me, one point in his favor.
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"Boad"
Aug 28, 2012 18:40:26 GMT -5
Post by wolf2 on Aug 28, 2012 18:40:26 GMT -5
if im not mistaken, his wife took one and he ended up not taken it. mike can correct me if im wrong
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"Boad"
Aug 28, 2012 19:23:55 GMT -5
Post by wolf2 on Aug 28, 2012 19:23:55 GMT -5
she studied handwriting analysis in germany for 2 years. according to her, a german doctor recommended her to reilly and reilly had a brooklyn handwriting expert c.f. goodspeed test her to see if she was legit and she passed. she said that hauptmanns writing was characterized by "pressure points", in which he pressed down usually twice in such letters as "a", "b", "g", and a germanic "h". the ransom notes, she contended, were written smoothly, but a powerful magnifying glass had disclosed that "rounded structures showed a thickening like a point, which was typical of hauptmanns writings", and a " differnt blend or hue of the ink, which had been written over". mrs. braunlich said that when she told reilly on feb 3, 1935, what she proposed to testify on the next morning, he said " your not going to do that" and ordered her to leave the flemington jersey scene that night.---this was a ny times article, i dont have the date
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"Boad"
Aug 28, 2012 20:42:03 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Aug 28, 2012 20:42:03 GMT -5
Just to clarify.... Dr. Keeler hooked up Anna to demonstrate it for her. She was asked test questions. (Another story would come out later that he wanted to ask about the Case but she refused). But it does seem clear she was impressed with the device and expressed as much to Hauptmann.
Hauptmann never turned it down and always asked for it. In the end he was denied the opportunity.
April 4, 1977.
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"Boad"
Aug 22, 2013 18:42:57 GMT -5
Post by babyinthecrib on Aug 22, 2013 18:42:57 GMT -5
Since the Boad Nelly doesn't exist, the choice of Nelly should have meaning to the kidnappers. James Warburg's wife is sleeping with Gershwin at the time of the letter. Gershwin's first employer composed "Wait Till The Sun Shines Nelly." Einstein & Thomas Mann write a letter to the NYTIMES in 1931. Heinrich Mann's wife is Nelly & she had lost an infant child. Her letter to Heinrich says:"Please, no more child-murder stories.'" Heinrich's brother Thomas & other German exiles spend time in Ascona. Einstein's son is in a sanitarium in walking distance & Einstein visited there. Ascona's leading entertainment venue is the "Nelly Bar." That's a lot of "Nelly" connections to my conspirators' world My Uncle "Zep" Anthony who worked for Mayor Hague, his sister who is my Grandmother was named Nicolina. Everyone in the family called her "Nelly". So there's another one!....lol
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