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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 19:05:25 GMT -5
Amy, look up Cleidocranial Dysplasia! I've cared for infants with acquired hydrocephalus and their little heads are enormous and so heavy they made my arm ache to hold them. Their little faces look tiny in comparison to the rest of the head. I think people were told rickets but he probably had some condition much more serious. I don't think anything would have been released concerning his health, even diet, if it hadn't been for the crime. What do you think? I looked this up. Cleidocranial Dysplasia is an inherited disorder that affects the skull and the collar bones primarily. Other symptoms also include short stature, delayed tooth eruption, premature closing of the soft spot on the skull and deformations in the chest cavity. I thought it was an interesting disorder but I am not inclined to this being what Charlie had. His soft spot was still palpable and his shoulders were quite normal. His height was also within normal range for his age. In many cases of this disorder the collar bones are either much smaller than normal, pulling the shoulders in towards the front of the chest, or the collar bones are absent. Here is a picture of Charlie taken in 1931. His shoulders are normal. shsmo.org/historicmissourians/name/l/lindbergh/images/large/005809.jpgI agree with you that the family would not have released anything concerning his health if Charlie had not gone missing.
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Post by kate1 on May 7, 2017 5:41:54 GMT -5
Thanks Amy! I was thinking more of the teeth and opened fontenelle. I'll go back to the oxygen deprivation before birth.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 12:17:00 GMT -5
Thanks Amy! I was thinking more of the teeth and opened fontenelle. I'll go back to the oxygen deprivation before birth. The open fontenelle and teeth and square head, etc. could be due to rickets or other conditions that present in the same way. I think that the oxygen deprivation is something that should be looked at more seriously. Here is a link to a condition I found. Please check it out. Thanks. www.birthinjuryguide.org/birth-injury/types/hypoxic-ischemic-encephalopathy-hie/
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Post by kate1 on May 7, 2017 17:27:43 GMT -5
True severity can't be determined until 3 to 4 yrs of age makes me think a child might look entirely normal but deficits show up as the baby gets older. I agree this looks a lot like prenatal anoxia. Good work!
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Post by kate1 on Oct 18, 2017 19:10:48 GMT -5
Has statement analysis for any interview/testimony been discussed?
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Post by Michael on Oct 22, 2017 8:13:07 GMT -5
Has statement analysis for any interview/testimony been discussed? I believe it has but it's been so long I cannot remember where to refer you. Also, as always, there are always more than opinion. This might not be what you are asking about but I know way back at the beginning ('01 or '02) of this thing for me I shot some emails out to a couple of Experts involving Forensic Linguistics concerning the Ransom Notes. One I know was Dr. Shuy who did not get back to me. Only one did, but I can't remember his name - real nice guy - but he hadn't looked at the notes over the course of his career. It's always hit or miss with the email strategy but believe me when I tell you many times I would get an answer from some really unselfish people looking to offer me insight.
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Post by hurtelable on Oct 22, 2017 10:40:21 GMT -5
Could you please elaborate, kate1, on what exactly you are referring to by that question?
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Post by kate1 on Oct 22, 2017 16:23:39 GMT -5
Could you please elaborate, kate1, on what exactly you are referring to by that question? The method of looking at a person's responses, both written and verbal and attempting to verify if they are lying. Not commenting on its efficacy but just curious.
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Post by kate1 on Oct 22, 2017 16:25:45 GMT -5
My son-in-law is special forces in Middle East and was trained in this method.
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Post by wendyrite on Oct 23, 2017 23:21:49 GMT -5
Just a quick question I was wondering if someone could answer for me. How old was Ollie Whateley when he died?
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Post by kate1 on Oct 24, 2017 7:39:46 GMT -5
Just a quick question I was wondering if someone could answer for me. How old was Ollie Whateley when he died? Wendy, I'm not sure when he died but he was born in June, 1884. He was 45 in 1929 when he applied to emigrate. Probably close to 50....I'm sure someone here can answer that more specifically!
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Post by Michael on Oct 24, 2017 17:35:22 GMT -5
Just a quick question I was wondering if someone could answer for me. How old was Ollie Whateley when he died? Here is a copy of his death certificate: Attachment Deleted
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Post by scathma on Oct 24, 2017 18:52:34 GMT -5
Death certificates were pretty laid back in 1930's NJ... Informal first name (not Aloysius?) and not even a middle initial.
Who's Mary Phoebe Lee? Is that Elsie's full formal name?
Another cremation? I didn't know they were so popular back then...
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Post by kate1 on Oct 26, 2017 7:10:38 GMT -5
Death certificates were pretty laid back in 1930's NJ... Informal first name (not Aloysius?) and not even a middle initial. Who's Mary Phoebe Lee? Is that Elsie's full formal name? Another cremation? I didn't know they were so popular back then... That was her name. Didn't remember the Mary but I do remember Phoebe. FBI has her listed as Phoebe Mary.
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Post by hurtelable on Oct 26, 2017 11:51:43 GMT -5
Notice that the cremation occurred in Linden, NJ. So it was probably at the same establishment - Rose Hill Cemetery and Crematory - at which the body of little Charlie (or perhaps some other child purported to be little Charlie) had been cremated about a year previously. Is this merely an irony, or could there be some explanation for this?
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Post by scathma on Oct 26, 2017 14:11:18 GMT -5
Well we know who ordered the cremation of CALjr... the obvious question is who requested Olly's body be disposed of in this manner?
Nothing circumvents a thorough and impartial reexamination of a body like a cremation.
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Post by hurtelable on Oct 27, 2017 9:07:26 GMT -5
True, in general. But in the case of Olly Whateley, he had been hospitalized for for several days before his death, so his attending physician who signed the Death Certificate would presumably know the details of his fatal illness. I can see Whateley's death as being due to NATURAL CAUSES with a very high degree of probability.
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Post by feathers on Oct 27, 2017 11:35:36 GMT -5
Death certificates were pretty laid back in 1930's NJ... Informal first name (not Aloysius?) and not even a middle initial. Who's Mary Phoebe Lee? Is that Elsie's full formal name? Another cremation? I didn't know they were so popular back then... I have a death certificate for my great grandfather which lists the cause of death as “death”.
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Post by scathma on Oct 27, 2017 16:31:21 GMT -5
I have a death certificate for my great grandfather which lists the cause of death as “death”. Was it signed "Dr. Charles H. Mitchell"?
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