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Post by Michael on Feb 28, 2016 8:19:45 GMT -5
A little more on the "Press" comment I made below... I know I've talked about this in the past but I think it's a piece of history that was never explored in relationship to this case. There were newspaper "wars" during this time, and any Reporter who came up with a first, or what they called a "scoop," received a huge benefit for both the Reporter and their News Agency/Syndicate (AP, UP, INS, etc). Being the first was representative of being the best. As a Reporter there were many things to be first at here and it started with information that wasn't public. First and foremost was the confirmation from the scene that the event was true and the details surrounding it. Most had a little money to give to the Cops for "confidential information." If there wasn't big money for the papers, then there would not be money to hand over to the Cops. Next there were the photos that everyone wanted: The Footprints, The Nursery, The Ransom Note, etc. The Main Offices were demanding them. So in this case there were certain things that could not be gotten "first." Others, like the Nursery, were gained by Reporters "buying" them from the Police - in this case that little indiscretion cost a Trooper his job - but most times it just padded their salary without ever being caught. Other times a Reporter getting to the scene "late" meant getting nothing new. And so wanting to send their Office a unique story they would simply invent one. A Neighbor seeing Hauptmann, or a shovel at the grave-site - as examples. So many times the Police would read a story then roll out to interview only to discover it was totally bogus. However, there were things these men would turn up that wasn't. And so it's important for anyone interested in this case to see everything through. Too many Authors shrug things off or have a schedule that doesn't allow for too much time to be used up on certain things so it gets left "unnoticed." Back then, almost any good Reporter was also an "investigator" where they tracked down clues looking for a "scoop." For example, Gov. Moore even utilized one to assist in a certain investigation. You won't see that in any book that I know of. And this same Reporter would later but utilized by Schwarzkopf too. Obviously they trusted this man or he wouldn't have been placed into that situation. The same for the Private Investigators. It's all "case by case" as it relates to what is real and what is garbage. The biggest obstacle is the time it takes to do that because it's lengthy. From where I stand now, this whole case is such a puzzle, just like 10,000+ puzzle pieces dumped out in front of me, and I am just picking some up randomly and trying to get a FEW to fit together. It's more like a Rubix Cube. In fact it's worse then that. I see it as many puzzles that need to be solved first before being able to work on the bigger one. Wow, Michael. This is gonna be some book, huh? As I and others have said: Can hardly wait! By your picking "under that window", well, hmmm. I wonder if that means you think CAL Jr. was removed by window, of course. But I know better than to assume. You could see a lot of other stuff from that position, I'm sure. I'm not asking...just "hmmm-ing". I will pry a little, though, but of course will take no offense if you prefer not to answer: Has the book gone to the publisher yet? And do you have a title? (Not asking for you to share it, just wondering if you have one yet.) Well it's not going to make very many people "happy." Whether it's a teacher with their red pen out, or someone who wants to learn about the case for the first time, or someone who wants to be told what to believe. It's a collection of the facts no one seems to know about laid out in a way that makes sense to me in the awkward style that I am known for. Hopefully the editing makes it easier to read - but the facts in it will never change. And hold onto your hats for those! Many things in this book are what I've seen everyone on this Board asking for. They exist. Of course someone with the skills of a Lloyd Gardner or a John Reisinger would turn what I have found into a block buster book. But I don't possess that type of talent. All I can offer are the facts presented in the best way I know how. What I lay out is certainly up for discussion and debate but it's rooted in fact. There's some really shocking material. Yes and yes. My first proof is due in about 5 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 9:02:59 GMT -5
A little more on the "Press" comment I made below... I know I've talked about this in the past but I think it's a piece of history that was never explored in relationship to this case. There were newspaper "wars" during this time, and any Reporter who came up with a first, or what they called a "scoop," received a huge benefit for both the Reporter and their News Agency/Syndicate (AP, UP, INS, etc). Being the first was representative of being the best. As a Reporter there were many things to be first at here and it started with information that wasn't public. First and foremost was the confirmation from the scene that the event was true and the details surrounding it. So, Michael, based on what you say above, where does the Oscar Bush "trail of footprints" fall? In Gardner's book on page 30 (2012 paperback edition) he explains how Oscar Bush was brought in by a reporter who heard about Bush from a police officer. Bush claimed there were two sets of prints from where the ladder was deposited leading out to Featherbed Lane where they ended. Did the authorities take what Bush said seriously or is Bush just a "scoop" for the reporter who brought him into the picture?
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Post by Michael on Feb 28, 2016 9:30:13 GMT -5
So, Michael, based on what you say above, where does the Oscar Bush "trail of footprints" fall? In Gardner's book on page 30 (2012 paperback edition) he explains how Oscar Bush was brought in by a reporter who heard about Bush from a police officer. Bush claimed there were two sets of prints from where the ladder was deposited leading out to Featherbed Lane where they ended. Did the authorities take what Bush said seriously or is Bush just a "scoop" for the reporter who brought him into the picture? It's a really good question Amy. Lloyd's book probably has the most on him (to date). I must admit I just picked up Richard's book to see what he had to say about him and I noticed Bush isn't even in the index. That's not a slight because I understand why.... Bush was one of the subjects that caused me to hesitate completing the book over the years hoping that I would eventually find more or fall into something about him. As strange as that seems, I have 'fallen into' a hell of a lot over the years! Anyway, the thing about Bush is there are many things attributable to him but many are contradictory. When faced with this sort of situation the Researcher must determine what to believe and what not to. Or they could dismiss the entire angle altogether. The way my brain works is that if one of his versions happen to line up with what others were saying then it might be something to consider. What I did (in Chapter 14) is bring all accounts to one place so that an intelligent decision could be made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 10:13:29 GMT -5
What I did (in Chapter 14) is bring all accounts to one place so that an intelligent decision could be made. I am really happy to hear that you will have a "pooling" place for all the footprint findings. This aspect of the crime is so highly controversial. Maybe seeing everything together will bring clarity to this point. The footprint issue is what brought me to this board. I am still trying to work my way through this so what you have written in Chapter 14 will be especially meaningful for me. Right now, I feel like Bill Murray in "Ground Hog Day". Every time I feel like I am getting somewhere, I am knocked back to where I started; the footprints on the Highfields ground!!!
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Post by jack7 on Feb 29, 2016 5:15:57 GMT -5
What happened to the reports from the Hopewell police officers of the original investigation - the pre-NJSP reports?
If there were two sets of footprints leading away they must have seen them.
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Post by jack7 on Feb 29, 2016 12:33:51 GMT -5
From another researcher (making this official LKD business):
He heard that Ted Cruze invited Donald Trump to be the grand marshal of an open vehicle gala pre-Super-Tuesday Parade in Dallas, Ted's home state of Texas.
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Post by Michael on Feb 29, 2016 17:00:34 GMT -5
What happened to the reports from the Hopewell police officers of the original investigation - the pre-NJSP reports? If there were two sets of footprints leading away they must have seen them. Their official statements are at the NJSP Archives. Are you suggesting they wrote Reports that were never turned over to the NJSP or perhaps lost or misplaced by them?
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Post by jack7 on Feb 29, 2016 18:01:46 GMT -5
As far as I know police always write reports of incidents, partially to account for their time. I;ve never seen any for Hopewell 3/1/32 at Lindbergh home.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 18:33:15 GMT -5
Without going into too much detail (and stifling the conversation), there is nothing in the official documentation that backs up those prints in the film Amy posted. So, just to be clear, when you say official documentation, do you mean police reports?
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Post by jack7 on Feb 29, 2016 18:48:31 GMT -5
On the photo you posted of the bootprint, it looks like there's a bare footprint behind the boot to the right.
What do the rest of the "official" photos of footprints at the crime scene look like?
You're implying that reporters faked the bare footprints. It doesn't seem like anyone would do that because at that time 3/2/32? no one would know that in the future there would ever be any question about footprints, number of kidnappers, etc.
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Post by Michael on Feb 29, 2016 19:02:54 GMT -5
As far as I know police always write reports of incidents, partially to account for their time. I;ve never seen any for Hopewell 3/1/32 at Lindbergh home. Today yes. Back then not always. Hopewell assisted in future investigations but their findings were verbally given to Troopers who added their findings to their own Reports. Furthermore Newark PD and Jersey City PD, as examples, wrote their Reports directly to NJ. I couldn't say whether or not copies went back to their Chiefs but I tend to believe they did not. NY and FBI (and some others) wrote their own Reports but were supposed to provide all copies to NJ. There's even evidence that NY didn't write Reports as it concerned certain investigations. The two Hopewell Cops who were there on 3-1-32, as you know, was both the Chief and Asst. Chief. The only person they would have to account to beyond themselves would be the Mayor. That's not to say none were written, but unless they were misplaced by the NJSP, then I don't believe they were because beyond all doubt they would have been submitted to Schwarzkopf. If you know something I don't then I'm all ears for sure. So, just to be clear, when you say official documentation, do you mean police reports? Any police generated document. But I also had other documentation that I discovered at the Archives in mind as well. One of Bush's versions mentioned a crooked toe or something like that - but I've explained the Bush situation earlier which will be further explored in the book.
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Post by sweetwater on Feb 29, 2016 20:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Feb 29, 2016 21:06:18 GMT -5
On the photo you posted of the bootprint, it looks like there's a bare footprint behind the boot to the right. What do the rest of the "official" photos of footprints at the crime scene look like? I've seen nothing of bare feet in any official photo. You're implying that reporters faked the bare footprints. It doesn't seem like anyone would do that because at that time 3/2/32? no one would know that in the future there would ever be any question about footprints, number of kidnappers, etc. I can say with 100% certainty that Reporters made their own footprints before they had access to the yard. It's undeniable. Later, they did get access so I suppose the only possible/potential debate could be how anyone could verify which was fake and which were authentic. I think the "control" is the official Police photos which were taken before the Reporters had access, and the police documents concerning the various prints none of which describes the prints in the film Amy posted. Michael -- I guess you probably tried seeing if you could track down any of Bush's descendants/living relations? I attempted to track down anyone I believed had information I was searching for. Many people didn't know anything. One in particular didn't even know her Grandfather had a connection. One really nice guy told me everything I was looking for had existed but that he threw it all away after his Mother's death. Great find! But to whoever is interested.... The caption has it backwards. The older man on the left is Wycoff, and the younger guy on the right is Bush.
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Post by xjd on Feb 29, 2016 22:58:29 GMT -5
wow, sweetwater! kudos to you for a fantastic question!
only 5 minutes? it is so hard to pick just one point, but i would have to spend my 5 minutes at the bakery around quitting time on the night in question to see if Richard really did pick up Anna.
of course, if he was there, it does not necessarily exclude him from building the ladder for the gang or participating in the extortion. but just to know if he was there or not would be big for me.
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Post by xjd on Feb 29, 2016 23:02:31 GMT -5
I would spend 5 minutes with Charlie the day before the kidnapping, to see if he's normal, happy, can walk, talk, hear. Is he autistic, have rickets, short hair or long. Are Charles and Anne there with him, playing with him, feeding him, being loving parents or ignorring him. Or, is he already dead. stella7, thank you for this insightful response. if one could be there and see that Charlie was developmentally ok and the family environment healthy, about half (if not more) of our questions as to motive would be answered.
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Post by sweetwater on Mar 1, 2016 0:23:53 GMT -5
wow, sweetwater! kudos to you for a fantastic question! only 5 minutes? it is so hard to pick just one point, but i would have to spend my 5 minutes at the bakery around quitting time on the night in question to see if Richard really did pick up Anna. of course, if he was there, it does not necessarily exclude him from building the ladder for the gang or participating in the extortion. but just to know if he was there or not would be big for me. Thanks, xjd. The bakery at closing time is one destination I considered, too.
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Post by hurtelable on Mar 1, 2016 16:02:39 GMT -5
To All: Much thanks, sweetwater. That Denver Post link reveals a fabulous collection of contemporary photos of people and sites connected to the LKC, most of which I'd never seen before. In particular, # 15 is a photo of St. Raymond's Cemetery in which the exact ransom payment location is pointed out, according to the caption. But it's hard to believe the caption, because it's almost impossible to conceive of Jafsie Condon throwing the ransom package and box over a fence and some shrubbery to Cemetery John. It would seem as if Condon would have to have been within arm's distance of CJ in order to to receive the "Boad Nellie" note from him. As far as the photo of Oscar Bush is concerned (# 20), he doesn't strike me as being an American Indian as purported, but of course there are plenty of Americans who don't appear to be American Indian but who do have some American Indian ancestry.
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Post by lurp173 on Mar 1, 2016 20:52:38 GMT -5
I have been following this forum for over a year now and I have greatly enjoyed it. The volume of information from truly dedicated individuals on this forum is really amazing and impressive. As this thread has mentioned the Hopewell police officers involved in the Lindbergh kidnapping case , I felt this might be a good time for me to contribute a posting.
I was born and raised in the town of Hopewell as my mother's family goes back many generations in that part of New Jersey. I was born 15 years after the Lindbergh kidnapping so it was still relatively recent history during my childhood. Harry Wolfe, Chief of Police in Hopewell at the time of the kidnapping, was my great uncle. He was married to my grandmother's sister. Uncle Harry and my grandfather, Irvin Van Nest, married sisters in Hopewell in 1910. My grandfather was a carpenter by trade and he died of a heart attack in May of 1931 while working on the construction of the Lindbergh house. As far as I know, he was the only workman who died while working at the site.
I grew up surrounded by stories of the Lindbergh kidnapping. My elementary school in Hopewell is on Princeton Avenue, less then one half mile from where the Lindbergh baby's remains were found. During high school, I road the school bus past this site everyday to and from Princeton. Our house was less than a mile across the farm fields from the site. As a teenager, I bird hunted in those fields. My mother would tell us numerous stories about how the press inundated the small, sleepy town of Hopewell following the kidnapping, and how rumors about the kidnapping dominated the local gossip for many months. It appeared that the press desired to interview virtually every resident of Hopewell.
Although I was too young to question Uncle Harry about the kidnapping (I was only 10 or 11 years of age when he passed away), my mother remembered everything Uncle Harry had said about the case. Although Uncle Harry was not involved in the subsequent investigation of the kidnapping, as you all know he was the first law enforcement officer both at the house on the night of the kidnapping and at the scene of the discovery of the baby's remains. Apparently Uncle Harry went to his grave firmly believing the following:
1. The New Jersey State Police had the correct perpetrator of the kidnapping with the arrest of Haupmann, although Haupmann was accompanied by others that night. Haupmann was definitely not at the Lindbergh house on the night of March 1st by himself.
2. From the moment Uncle Harry entered the Lindbergh house that night of the kidnapping, he had a strong gut reaction that there was an "inside" aspect to this case. He apparently had strong suspicions in regards to Betty Gow and Violet Sharpe.
3. The remains found on Carter Road (Princeton Avenue) just outside of the town limits of Hooewell was definitely the remains of the Lindbergh child.
Uncle Harry was Chief of Police of Hopewell at that time because he was extremely well regarded by the residents of Hopewell. Although he had no prior law enforcement experience, he was a "jack of all trades" and could physically handle anyone causing trouble in the town. More importantly, Uncle Harry possessed a high degree of common sense and intellect. When Uncle Harry spoke, people listened. I would suspect that the above-listed beliefs that Uncle Harry took to his grave in regards to the Lindbergh kidnapping were spot on.
I am a retired federal agent having spent 29 years investigating federal crimes. I know from experience that most crimes, including conspiracies, are normally not complex, and with a little time and effort can be solved. This case however is in a special category. Due to the many mistakes made during the initial phases of the investigation, and the lack of modern investigative scientific techniques that were not available in 1932, the full story of this kidnapping may never be known. This being said, I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the many theories put forth by the members of this forum.
I apologize for this long posting, but I thought that the forum readers might find some of this interesting. The photo that I am attempting to attach shows a picture of my uncle Harry taken in 1910 at the "double wedding ceremony" with my grandparents and Uncle Harry and his wife. Uncle Harry is on the left.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 1, 2016 22:52:13 GMT -5
lurp173:
It's a pleasure to meet you, albeit over an internet site.
Over the years I've brought up your uncle and officer Williamson on this site quite a few times - unfortunately to a resounding lack of interest. A while back I remember commenting that it should have been their investigation (The Lindbergh Crime) and I still believe that. Basic crime scene rules were violated from the beginning, and I've always thought Chief Wolfe would have done a much better job of controlling things. In your own words, he looks like he could "physically handle" that disturbance. Unfortunately at the time of the crime NJSP had jurisdiction, and the rest is history.
Most recently I've wondered what happened to their original police reports of the incident, perhaps that was the comment that has sparked your current interest. Possibly there were no reports, but it would be nice to hear somewhat officially one way or another. I have my own opinions about what happened at that initial crime scene, but I'm more interested in the truth.
Your aunt and uncle make a very nice looking marrying couple.
I Imagine Chief Harry Wolfe and your relatives had many stories about that exciting time in Hopewell. Hopefully you can share some of them with us.
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Post by sweetwater on Mar 1, 2016 23:58:41 GMT -5
Though I am new here myself, I say welcome, lurp173!
What a fascinating perspective you have on this case, not only because of your Uncle Harry's involvement --about which I'm definitely still saying to myself "Wow! -- but because of your own career. Like Jack, I say "pleased to meet you." I will so look forward to reading what you bring here.
I'll dive right in with a question, if you don't mind! You say your uncle believed that the child's remains found were those of CAL Jr. (I think many here do, as well, judging from what I've read. I'm "almost there", myself, but still have a few doubts.) I wonder if you know whether your uncle believed the child's body was placed there just after the kidnapping or returned some time considerably later.
Again, welcome!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 8:28:39 GMT -5
Welcome lurp173! Thanks for such a great post. I find it really interesting and helpful when people who have a personal connection to this case come on the board and share it here. I love the wedding picture you posted of your Uncle Harry and your grandparents. It is just beautiful. Like others who post here, I wish there was more documentation available from your Uncle and Charles Williamson. They were the first on the scene and really had the advantage to see the Lindberghs, Betty Gow, the Whateleys and very importantly, the crime scene, both inside and the exterior. Their impressions of everything that night are before everything went crazy. You bring up that your Uncle Harry believed that Hauptmann was not alone at the scene. I, too, believe that there was more than one person at the Lindbergh house that night who participated in this kidnapping. I find your Uncle's gut reaction to the Lindbergh household that night especially helpful. This type of reaction is only possible by being there and seeing these people as they were that night. He could feel what we only are able to suspect. I think he is right on target with his feeling that there was inside assistance. Do you know why he thought either Betty Gow or Violet Sharpe was involved? The remains found and identified as Charlie have certainly been and still are discussed here. Although, I am in the camp that the remains are Charlie, I still have some lingering doubts over that right foot with the overlapping toes. I guess I always will. Did your Uncle Harry know Ellis Parker? I would be interested in his impression of Parker. I look forward to your future posts.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 2, 2016 9:07:41 GMT -5
NOW people are interested (and more will be) Chief Wolfe and Officer Williamson - amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 10:55:39 GMT -5
Michael,
Are any of the Hopewell police reports a part of the official record on this case. Wolfe and Williamson were first on the scene. What they saw and observed that night should have been in the records. I know that Williamson testified at the Hauptmann trial, so does that mean that Wolfe and Williamson wrote reports?
I believe that the Mercer County prosecutor at the time of the kidnapping was Erwin Marshall. Since Hopewell was in Mercer County would any reports written by the Hopewell officers have gone to Marshall's office?
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Post by jack7 on Mar 2, 2016 11:49:37 GMT -5
I have proof that the socked foot marks which I mentioned earlier (and Amy provided photographs of) existed between the ladder foot marks and where the ladder finally lay at the time of the initial crime scene investigation. This was before the area became damaged by reporters and onlookers.
These marks have now been arbitrarily attributed on this site to the shenanigans of reporters, similar to what's happened to the written evidence on Richard Hauptmann's closet door.
These socked footmarks make it realistically impossible that someone simply climbed the ladder and took the child from a collaborator inside the house.
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Post by Michael on Mar 2, 2016 18:30:58 GMT -5
More importantly, Uncle Harry possessed a high degree of common sense and intellect. When Uncle Harry spoke, people listened. I would suspect that the above-listed beliefs that Uncle Harry took to his grave in regards to the Lindbergh kidnapping were spot on. Thank you for sharing this. Although it's the first time I've seen anything attributed to Wolfe outside of what's in the reports, I wasn't surprised at all to read this. It's about the same as what all the other Cops believed at the time. It's amazing how anyone could accept the Lone-Wolf theory when most of those who were there personally rejected the notion. Are any of the Hopewell police reports a part of the official record on this case. Wolfe and Williamson were first on the scene. What they saw and observed that night should have been in the records. I know that Williamson testified at the Hauptmann trial, so does that mean that Wolfe and Williamson wrote reports? I believe that the Mercer County prosecutor at the time of the kidnapping was Erwin Marshall. Since Hopewell was in Mercer County would any reports written by the Hopewell officers have gone to Marshall's office? I did my best to answer this below... I don't like saying absolutely "no" because I haven't found anything since that doesn't mean they never existed, however, from my research I don't think so. I believe whatever they did was turned over to the NJSP via verbally, report, letter, or teletype. Here's an example coming from Hamilton Township: There was no report attached, therefore, it seems to me none was actually written. But as you can see the communication between the Chief and the NJSP existed. If something like this is in the files, I really find it hard to believe an Initial Report made by Hopewell Police wouldn't be there, and I absolutely would never believe it was withheld. As far as Prosecutor Marshall goes... The crime was committed in Hunterdon County. If anything went to him it would have been turned over to Schwarzkopf, but I don't think Hopewell would submit anything to him since Governor Moore made it clear the NJSP was running the investigation. But really he didn't get much until the corpse was discovered in Mount Rose, and even then he was working hand in glove with Hauck. Hauck gave everything to Schwarzkopf. Now here is where it gets tricky... Chief Walter of the Trenton PD didn't care for Lindbergh after the child was found dead. Before that only a handful of report copies from Trenton are at the NJSP Archives. My guess is there actually could be reports out of Trenton which were never passed along as a result - but even this is mere speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if a bunch of Trenton reports turn up in someone's attic one day.
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Post by sweetwater on Mar 2, 2016 19:29:48 GMT -5
As far as the photo of Oscar Bush is concerned (# 20), he doesn't strike me as being an American Indian as purported, but of course there are plenty of Americans who don't appear to be American Indian but who do have some American Indian ancestry. Yeah, I think the descriptions I've read that mentioned it implied a partial ancestry. (I have no idea how accurate those are, though.)
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Post by jack7 on Mar 2, 2016 20:17:34 GMT -5
I wonder why Amy keeps restating my posts of new issues again as if they were her own ideas. I'm sure Michael notices this - hope others do as well.
As nice as I always am to her - same ole' problem with Amy!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 20:56:36 GMT -5
I did my best to answer this below... I don't like saying absolutely "no" because I haven't found anything since that doesn't mean they never existed, however, from my research I don't think so. I believe whatever they did was turned over to the NJSP via verbally, report, letter, or teletype. There was no report attached, therefore, it seems to me none was actually written. But as you can see the communication between the Chief and the NJSP existed. If something like this is in the files, I really find it hard to believe an Initial Report made by Hopewell Police wouldn't be there, and I absolutely would never believe it was withheld. As far as Prosecutor Marshall goes... The crime was committed in Hunterdon County. If anything went to him it would have been turned over to Schwarzkopf, but I don't think Hopewell would submit anything to him since Governor Moore made it clear the NJSP was running the investigation. But really he didn't get much until the corpse was discovered in Mount Rose, and even then he was working hand in glove with Hauck. Hauck gave everything to Schwarzkopf. Now here is where it gets tricky... Chief Walter of the Trenton PD didn't care for Lindbergh after the child was found dead. Before that only a handful of report copies from Trenton are at the NJSP Archives. My guess is there actually could be reports out of Trenton which were never passed along as a result - but even this is mere speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if a bunch of Trenton reports turn up in someone's attic one day. Thanks Michael for checking on this. Since it was brought up by Jack, I thought it was worth asking you about. If any such reports were in the files anywhere, I know that you would be the person to know about them. It is disappointing though. Wolfe and Williamson were the first officials on the scene and there impressions and observations should have been in the record somewhere.
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Post by corrine on Mar 2, 2016 22:18:52 GMT -5
Hi, Sweetwater ~ I agree some with Amy and Hurtleable. I think Charlie did fall from the window/ladder but, it was an accident that he was hurt.Violet or Betty knew something was going to happen - for ransom money only. But they didnt think the baby would get hurt. My five minutes would be spent at the morge. To really see if that baby they found in the woods was Charlie. My guess is that the kidnappers lived near St.Raymonds Cemetery. And had relatives that lived in Jersey. The kidnappers also knew Dr. Condon when he was a teacher/coach. I really wish I could travel back in time to find out all the true answers of this case.
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