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« Thread Started on Jul 1, 2006, 8:25am » | ![[Quote]](http://s1.images.proboards.com/buttons/quote.gif) |
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About 45 days ago a black van with NJ tags pulled up and unloaded about 20 or so non-english speaking folk. The van comes in about every week dropping off a new batch and sometimes picking certain ones up....Kind of like an "exchange" of sorts.
Children, ranging from 4 to 6 years old play in the parking lot, unsupervised, until 1 or 2 in the morning. They literally throw their trash on the ground and yell at the top of their lungs to people standing right next to them until about 3 AM every night while drinking beer. Despite a public trash can in the immediate area, there is garbage knee-deep on the ground, and abandoned cars all over the parking lot. The women are either all pregnant or very overweight. The beautiful landscaping directly behind my bedroom window has been worn down and destroyed.
They have 2 or 3 apartments where, as of right now, there are about 50 people living. They section off personal space with cardboard and even sleep in the kitchen that way. I caught a very short non-english speaking man urinating by my back window. He told me, in Spanish, that he couldn't use the bathroom because there was only (1) and too many people were using it. People have missing their mail and I had mine stolen out of my box just this past Tuesday. In the (6) years I have been here that has never happened.
A couple of weeks ago the Police came out and asked for ID. None had any. Only (1) guy of about the 10 or so who were yelling and drinking could speak english. The "english" speaking individual told Police he was "16" and born in '88. He told Police those drinking with him were his cousins. When Police asked him their names he asked them:
Cual es tu nombre?
One replied:
Cierra tu vocha!
The Officer gave them "warning" for drinking in public, made them pick up the beer bottles lying all over the ground and departed. They waited about 15 minutes and came back out and started all over again.
What's funny is that I read the paper the next day and saw the announcement the Police had written 200 or so seatbelt tickets in their "click-it or ticket" campaign. (Keep up the good work!)
It's like some sort of illegal business is going on and they've turned these places into "flop-houses" for people who don't even know each other.
What do you do? INS doesn't even want to hear about it unless a felony has occurred. It seems to me they are employed to be exploited for both low wage and no taxation. I think if you document these people they will be out of work fast - it defeats the purpose.
I admit I was very ignorant to this subject until I was literally surrounded by it. I think the country is in for a world of hurt if this isn't addressed soon. If it can happen here it can happen anywhere. Sure I am venting a little (I haven't had a good night's sleep in over a month) however, hopefully it will enlighten people who haven't been exposed to what's happening - as was me just a few short days ago. I can only imagine what those poor people who live on the border are going through.
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« Reply #1 on Jul 2, 2006, 6:24am » | |
Michael I can sympathize, we have a similar situation around where I am. Unfortunately, since it seems that so many young Americans in my area ( and yours) no longer wish to work, the illegals are the only thing that keeps the entire service industry going.
Interestingly it occurred to me that this is not entirely a non-LKC subject. Hauptmann was also an illegal alien and German immigrants like my father also faced similar problems. Also we had a kidnapping here last year of a woman carried out by a disgruntled employee ( illegal alien) of the woman's husband.
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« Reply #2 on Jul 2, 2006, 7:50am » | |
Quote:| Unfortunately, since it seems that so many young Americans in my area ( and yours) no longer wish to work, the illegals are the only thing that keeps the entire service industry going. (Kevin) |
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I've heard this argument before but I don't buy it. With the price of gas, taxes, and insurance I had to get a 2nd job cutting grass on the weekends myself.
What's going on is greed. Not in all cases of course but for the most part - at least that's how I see it.
I just don't think anyone would work for $3.00 an hour. That's what some of these guys are paid. I honestly believe if they were to become legal tomorrow (and forced to pay taxes) no one would hire them. These Employers want undocumented people to pay "under the table" and below minimum wage.
I think we need to see the side-effects:
Crime
Gangs
Higher Car Insurance
Higher Health Insurance
Lower Wages
Higher Taxes
Did you know that it cost around $150.00 a day to house an Inmate? Check out the statistics concerning our Nation's Inmate population then ask yourself who is paying for it and why. Then ask why these illegals must commit a serious crime against society before anyone will do anything about it.
Then ask yourself why it cost so much to live.
It's funny... every night I struggle to go to sleep I wish Murry Garsson were still around. I bet if I called him he'd come right over but instead of the furnace he'd have to dig through the trash. 
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« Reply #3 on Jul 2, 2006, 2:46pm » | |
Ah yes, good old greed.
Did you know that in some cases I have encountered illegals are being paid on the books and both taxes and ss are being withheld by the employer even though the employee does not have a valid ss number! Now where do you suppose those withholdings are going?
What scares me is the amount of phony ids and drivers licenses ( even the new digital ones) going around. I won't employ these people simply because I could find myself liable for an accident or worse, criminal activity.
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« Reply #4 on Jul 3, 2006, 5:56am » | |
There are "rings" which cater to the needs of illegals providing them with SS #'s. Of course they actually belong to someone else. And so add identity theft to the laundry list I outlined above.
Its why the laws exist for legal immigration, which by the way, I am all for. There's only one way to screen people to make sure they aren't criminals, insane, or have some disease before they come here.
In the years to come, if enforcement and deportation doesn't happen, you will see a serious back-lash against all Immigrants and that will be most unfortunate. I am very sympathetic to the Cubans and Liberians who I think should receive some sort of preference due to their circumstances. (Heck, we founded Liberia and I think this is one country where we do have both a duty and obligation to these people). But again, there is a right way and a wrong way.... One only needs to see Carter's mistake concerning Cuba....
Why don't we learn from our mistakes I wonder?
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« Reply #5 on Jul 3, 2006, 7:14am » | |
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I think the powers to be know perfectly well how to solve this situation, but a game is being played here. On one hand there is tough talk on immigration control and naturalization and on the other hand the situation is allowed to go un-checked because of the enormous financial interests involved wanting a cheap and un empowered supply of labor. In the end greed wins out. You can only learn from a mistake if you acknowledge it is one.
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« Reply #6 on Sept 2, 2006, 9:43am » | |
I am seeing towns "ban" illegals by writing up certain local laws and drawing a lot of fire for doing this. They are being labeled as "racist" somehow for banning an illegal situation which makes no sense to me especially post 9-11 and the fact that 1 in 12 illegals is a criminal - if not 12 in 12 for knowingly breaking the law in the first place.
What they've done here (where I live) is pass a low-profile type ordinance forbidding more then (3) people per (1) bedroom space and forcing the land-lords to ensure its complied with. Its a smart idea because it has worked.....indirectly. Of course there are still 8-10 people in the place behind me still rotating in and out but they aren't disposing of their trash on the ground, getting drunk in the parking lot, and screaming until 3AM like a bunch of animals anymore because if they did then someone will report them.
I am sure they it could happen again and possibly lead to evictions in which case I really feel sorry for the next people who will have to deal with it. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy truth be told. Something really needs to be done and amnesty is certainly the wrong way to go.
I know that I have been labeled a "liberal" and while I am sure some of my views could be associated with that philosophy, I have many conservative views as well. All in all I like to think of myself as falling somewhere in the middle....
One thing I can't stand is people calling other people "racists" or "prejudice" whenever they mention facts and/or statistics when they happen to associate with a group of people. For example, its my experience that most people who make and sell Meth are white, male, and ride a motorcycle.
Think anyone will call me "racist" for pointing this out?
Hardly.
But I am quite sure they are ready to when I point out the statistic above concerning illegals. Facts are facts and statistics are statistics....the only thing left is to figure out and answer the question 'why' and not attack the messenger.
Take for example this woman holed up in a church. She came into the country illegally. (Strike 1) She steals someone's Social Security number. (Strike 2) And now is ordered deported but refuses. (Strike 3) That's already (3) separate crimes.
While I don't agree with Pat Buchanan on a lot of his points, the one point he is right about is illegal immigration. His facts and statistics are both accurate and correct. I post this link so people who choose to buy his book can see these statistics although I remind everyone his personal interpretations are his and not specifically how I get there.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/explorer/031236....9088728?ie=UTF8
We need to insist on legal immigration instead of chaos. What is going on now is complete lawlessness.
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« Reply #7 on Sept 2, 2006, 10:51am » | |
You know what amazes me, with all the supposed concern over security after 9/11, we still have a swiss cheese border and an untold number of "residents" completely under the radar.
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« Reply #9 on Mar 16, 2009, 7:56am » | |
For the year of 2008, over 4,500 illegal aliens were arrested in the State of New Jersey for committing additional serious crimes.
For the year of 2008, at least 8 hospitals have been forced to shut down in the State of New Jersey for reasons specified as "charity care issues." This means the huge influx of illegal aliens forcing the hospitals to hand out free health care via the emergency room visits have forced them to shut down.
Menendez and Laughtenburg continue to defend the Illegal Alien population. Why not encourage donations instead of letting them ruin our infrastructure, suck our resources dry, and destroy our way of life? Why not represent the tax-payers and Americans to the best of your abilities FIRST.
We are a sovereign nation with laws.
Maybe its time to elect those who put the Citizens of New Jersey first for a change and let others who would push their own personal beliefs down their families' throats - instead of ours?
It starts with the Governor. A man whose integrity is beyond reproach:
www.christiefornj.com/
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« Reply #11 on Mar 16, 2009, 8:19am » | |
Horse Farm Machette Murders
Illegal Aliens - Fled almost immediately to Texas by way of what Law Enforcement term "underground railroad" for the Illegal Alien population. These are vans which transport these people all over the country.
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http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2009/03/charges_announced_in_horse_far.html
This is why legal immigration is essential. There is no record of these people, or what they are all about. How many other crimes have they committed? Excellent Police work solved this crime.
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« Reply #12 on Sept 9, 2009, 6:20pm » | |
I love this LKC discussion board! Just wanted to say so. 
I check it 2 & 3 times daily.
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« Reply #13 on Sept 9, 2009, 7:05pm » | |
C'mon now Mairi, be honest. Don't you miss the insanity so lacking on this board? 
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« Reply #14 on Sept 10, 2009, 11:10am » | |
lol You are so funny, Kevkon! lol
I like the civil, in depth discussion, here. I also appreciate the awesome degree of research displayed/shared. Though you all leave me in your smoke on that part, I stay so fascinated. The differing slants on the case, here, make for great balance, in my view.
Do I miss the insanity so lacking on this board? Why, Heck fire No!
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« Reply #15 on Sept 10, 2009, 2:53pm » | |
If you change your mind I could get Amelia Earhart to join the board. She lives down the road from me!
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« Reply #17 on Oct 28, 2009, 6:06pm » | |
Here's a nice story....
THE HUNTERDON COUNTY NEWS
- Breaking News -
10/26/09
TITLE: WOMAN ATTACKED WALKING HOME IN LAMBERTVILLE
A young woman was assaulted by an unknown male while walking alone on Thursday October 22.
The 22 year-old female victim was walking to a local residence
and had taken a short cut through a warehouse parking lot, between Arnett Avenue and Elm Street, at around 8:15 PM, when a Hispanic male grabbed her around the neck. The victim successfully fought off the attacker by punching him in the face before running for help. The suspect was last seen fleeing towards Arnett Avenue.
The attacker was described as being a Hispanic male, early
twenties, approximately 5' 6" tall with a heavy build, wearing a white t-shirt and white hat. Anyone who may have witnessed the assault or may have seen the suspect are encouraged to contact the Lambertville City Police Department at 609-397-3132
Not long ago, Lambertville was a small quaint town with very little or no crime. It's been like that all of my life. As young as 4 years old I, as well as my friends, had the run of the town. There wasn't an inch of that town I hadn't explored as a kid. In fact, this parking lot is a place I quite often used as a short cut without any fear whatsoever....back when the building was an empty, broken down, and very abandoned. As kids, we took short-cuts anywhere and everywhere. Never did I ever encounter a suspicious stranger - ever. The idea that someone hanging out in the dark attacking people was completely unheard of.... that is until after the invasion.
Since my last post on this subject there have been burglaries, stabbings, aggravated assualts, attacks, and bank robberies - all committed by Illegal Aliens.
These are things we were all immune to growing up in Lambertville. If anyone read my letter to the Beacon some years ago I predicted all of this. Unfortunately - I was right.
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